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All changes to it should be agreed on by the public, or a committee approved by the public, say, the Public Council.

 

Entirely in the public's powers to do something before immediately remitting to an approved committee by, say, opening a thread about it on the forum.

 

Hmmm... How about you keep the categories, add the villain one because of the tradition of the reward, and just add another voting option - "Nobody should get it this year"?

 

That way we don't brutaly destroy tradition to adapt to lower numbers of population, we do it more smoothly by just putting some sections in a temporary stasis, by the 'opinion of the people', which is what this manifestation is all about.

 

This reminds me of land voting, and it seems to make sense.

 

Also, by "manifestation" do you mean this thread?

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Also, by "manifestation" do you mean this thread?

 

The whole MD awards as an event.

 

if the choice is RON or your friend. you are going to vote your friend no matter how poor they are. i dont think a RON will help the popularity voting.

 

The concern that people will vote for whom they like rather than whom they think truly deserves to win is very present for this event in the last several years.

I think that we should drop trying to bend the rules to try, in our eyes, limiting nepotism in voting - why? Well, because the event is devized as "whole MD votes", pushing the votes in a certain direction is against that concept. 

If a person 'truly' deserves to win a category, no friend votes will stop the person from winning it. There are no players that would get half of MD population to vote for them on the soul reason that they like the candidate, and if I am mistaken, then the actual event shouldn't be held, in the first place.

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Everything in MD is a result of a vote or veto in some form or the other. I suggest we cut the whole issue bout favouritism, because it cannot be avoided. I have seen people deserve their awards till last year, else they won't be nominated. Besides, the fact that dst is in the management is enough reassurance for me. Many people may not think so, but she is pretty fair when it comes to stuff like this.

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Everything in MD is a result of a vote or veto in some form or the other. I suggest we cut the whole issue bout favouritism, because it cannot be avoided. I have seen people deserve their awards till last year, else they won't be nominated. Besides, the fact that dst is in the management is enough reassurance for me. Many people may not think so, but she is pretty fair when it comes to stuff like this.

What can dst do to make it fairer? From my sight she is only there to count votes/manage it. And wouldnt be able to stop the "land voting" problems.

 

The concern that people will vote for whom they like rather than whom they think truly deserves to win is very present for this event in the last several years.

I think that we should drop trying to bend the rules to try, in our eyes, limiting nepotism in voting - why? Well, because the event is devized as "whole MD votes", pushing the votes in a certain direction is against that concept. 

 

You have ignored my point.

 

I am ignoring the favouritism when choosing between two players. If one category only had one participant and a RON, its exceptionally likely that people would vote for not RON, just because of friendship.

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"Any objections from anyone with regard to removing Fossil and Protector awards"

 

Fossil  i assisted to that award last year, found it interesting, with some funny quotes ... we should keep that award

 

best suggestion i read in this thread is to put an option for voting, not candidate should get it this year .. that way

when one year ther is some it will still be there that award

 

also ilike the suggestion that past fossils are not eliigible , to make place for new nominies

 

also i am in the opinion that best tecky is not necessary the best quest maker... as coding clicy is not necessary the same

one can make outstanding quest without coding  clicy or having the clicy code by someone else

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What can dst do to make it fairer? From my sight she is only there to count votes/manage it. And wouldnt be able to stop the "land voting" problems.

 

Management counts a lot.. no? picking out alt votings and throwing them away... similar stuff.

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Grido: Why are you looking to reduce the number of categories? Shouldn't we be looking for more things to celebrate, rather than nitpicking over alts and friends voting for friends and all that stuff? While it is pertinent to do away with unnecessary or repetitive awards, you have seemingly picked an arbitrary number and charged the public with figuring it out with no suggestions, feedback or explanation of any sort, and then threatened everybody with "I will pick if you can't". I don't mean to sound ungrateful, as I'm sure it takes plenty of organizational work to put this together, but I would prefer to see it grow rather than shrink.

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@Chewett: Wasn't aware what you meant RON represents, but still, my point stands. 

You just need to make people aware in which situations should they vote RON rather than for a concrete player, like we are doing in this discussion.

You can do that by crafty combination of words for that RON voting option, or somehow else.

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What gives you the right to arbitrarily remove categories? The MD awards are for MD, they are not the Grido Awards, arbitrarily chosen and entirely run by Grido to let who he wants win, win. All changes to it should be agreed on by the public, or a committee approved by the public, say, the Public Council.

It wouldn't be arbitrary, it would be based on what people suggest here, but not necessarily what everyone has agreed upon. Besides which that part is due to be copy pasting a lot of text and not reading it thoroughly.

 

 

 

I'm also against the RoN/Null vote options. Just because certain awards don't exist this year, or haven't been up for a couple years, does not mean that they can't be brought back if people want them back.

 

 

As for the reduction in the amount of categories, it's a reflection on the amount of active people in the realm, the more people there are, the more winners it's practical to have, and vice versa. As with anything here, if the public do not wish for this, it doesn't have to.

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Since you reached no valid conclusion, I will make one: we remove the protector, we don't add the villain and we keep the fossil and techie.

 

Tomorrow morning I will open the thread where you can nominate players for the categories.

 

If you have something to say about the categories, you still have until tomorrow when i arrive at the office and drink my coffee.

 

We are behind the schedule already so I cannot let you linger.

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Well since i am eligible for fossil award this year i obv. object to it's removal :)

 

 

On more constructive note, unless everyone on most active list has had this award (or all previously given removed) it's unfair to remove a catecory that is based on just one criteria. This can more or less also be applied on the best protector etc.

 

 

So in a way the "I like none"  vote makes sense. i for sure would not vote for anyone in the protector category. And maybe a lot of the others.

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Chewett and Azull are for removing fossil.

Tom and Miq are for keeping it.

I am for keeping it as well (plus Pipsticks was for keeping as many awards as possible if i understood it right) so we'll keep the fossil.

 

Thus being said, please nominate here:

http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/15145-nominations-for-md-awards-2013/

 

Grids please close the topic (or any other person that can close it).

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      Some unexpected bits and pieces came up so I wasn't able to release this when intended, however here it is, I have changed the schedule to reflect a delay.
       
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      Sunday 1st November - Categories Start Here
      Monday 9th November - Rules End
      Friday 20th November - Categories End
      Saturday 21st Monday 23rd November - Nominees Starts Here
      Tuesday 1st Wednesday 2nd December - Nominees Ends
      Friday 4th December - Voting Begins
      Monday 14th December - Voting Ends
      Friday 18th December - MD Awards Ceremony
       
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      [log=Rules]- The previous categories will be listed in a thread, and players can then argue for different ones to be added/removed - if players agree, then it will be so.
      - Certain categories have relevant restrictions on them, these can be changed/created/removed, but only prior to nominations opening.


      - There will be 3 people counting votes and organising this. These people will not be able to be nominated, however they are able to vote.
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      - No editing posts in the nomination thread - purely because I'll potentially get confused.


      - We will ideally use the in game voting system.
      - There's no restriction on voting for those of the same land.
      - There will be no restriction on the amount of voters, there will however be a limited timeframe to vote in as specified in the outline.
      - You do not have to vote in each category (though it's preferable).
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      - If players that have voted are detected as alts of each other, all associated votes will be discounted. (If you have multiple accounts, you're fine, but only vote once per person please), they will also be disqualified from any nominations your accounts may have.
      - Players under 20 AD will be unable to vote.


      I can't think of any other particular details currently, please ask if you think I've missed anything (in addition to discussing various points). If you are against any aspect with how it's set to run, please raise it and suggest alternatives.
       
      *[log= Associated Land Definition] Associated to a land includes being part of an alliance or a citizen, as well as those on temporary absence from them, but is not exclusive to just that mechanical association. It also extends to a player who feels they belong to a certain land, or who through largely exclusive association or actions is viewed as of a certain land. Those who since those actions visibly associate themselves with another land would then no longer be thought of as with the former.
      Alliance hoppers, or those that take alliances without intended association with the land the new alliance is a part of are exceptions and will be treated based on perception, rather than mechanical.[/log][/log](The above is mostly copied from last year, so there may be some inaccuraces - please point them out)
       
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    • By Grido
      You will find below the list of categories that was used for the MD Awards 2014, feel free to Add, remove, or modify any of those listed. I will strike out any that are decided to be removed from the list.
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      As you're doing these, please be aware of this thread as we are running the general rules concurrently with these discussions.
       
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      If you feel any of the descriptions need updating or otherwise changing, please say so here as well.
       
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      To avoid issues like has happened in previous years, I would like someone to primarily run the event this year, I would of course be on hand as needed including any vote counting that may be necessary.
       
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    • By Grido
      So, the year has rolled around once more, and so we once again have our MD Awards.
       
      Currently it will be Rophs and myself organising, along with a third person. If you want to help out please drop either of us a message, ideally you should have been to at least one previous awards.
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      Information relating to how the awards will run as it currently stands;
      [spoiler]
      - There will be a maximum of 10 categories.
      - The previous categories will be listed in a thread, and players can then argue for different ones to be added/removed - if players agree, then it will be so.
      - Certain categories have relevant restrictions on them, these can be changed/created/removed, but only prior to nominations opening.


      - There will be 3 people counting votes and organising this. These people will not be able to be nominated, however they are able to vote.
      - You may not nominate those who belong to the same land as yourself (this not only means hard-coded, but also those people considered part of certain lands). "This is an MD awards event, if a person deserves one of the awards, it is on the global level, not on local level, however capable the person is, which justifies the ban of the land nominations , possibly votes too".* If you note nominations slipping through this, please let an organiser know.
      - There will be a minimum of 3 and a maximum of 5 players nominated for each category.
      - Past winners will be allowed to be nominated again, however, if there are more than 5 names nominated when it closes, those will be the first removed.
      - Mur cannot be nominated (sorry Mur), and Chewett cannot be nominated for Top Techy (or another award along the same lines).
      - Previous Fossil (or a similar award if that does not exist this year) winners, cannot win again.
      - You may only nominate one person per category. If you nominate multiple people, none will be added.
      - You may not nominate yourself, or another account you play.
      - No editing posts in the nomination thread - purely because I'll potentially get confused.


      - We will ideally use the in game voting system.
      - There's no restriction on voting for those of the same land.
      - There will be no restriction on the amount of voters, there will however be a limited timeframe to vote in - this will be 11 days.
      - You do not have to vote in each category (though it's preferable).
      - If you vote for yourself in anything, all your votes will be discounted.
      - If players that have voted are detected as alts of each other, all associated votes will be discounted. (If you have multiple accounts, you're fine, but only vote once per person please), they will also be disqualified from any nominations your accounts may have.
      - Players under 20 AD will be unable to vote.


      I can't think of any other particular details currently, please ask if you think I've missed anything (in addition to discussing various points). If you are against any aspect with how it's set to run, please raise it and suggest alternatives.
       
      *
      [spoiler]
      Associated to a land includes being part of an alliance or a citizen, as well as those on temporary absence from them, but is not exclusive to just that mechanical association. It also extends to a player who feels they belong to a certain land, or who through largely exclusive association or actions is viewed as of a certain land. Those who since those actions visibly associate themselves with another land would then no longer be thought of as with the former.
      Alliance hoppers, or those that take alliances without intended association with the land the new alliance is a part of are exceptions and will be treated based on perception, rather than mechanical.
      [/spoiler]
      [/spoiler]
      (The above is mostly copied from last year, so there may be some inaccuraces - please point them out)
       
       
      Schedule for the process is as follows;
      Sun 16th November - Discussion thread opens
      Sun 23rd November - Categories thread opens
      Sun 30th November - Cats closes, Nominations open
      Sun 7th December - Nominations close
      Wed 10th December - Voting opens
      Sun 21st December - Voting closes
      Sun 28th December - Proposed Award Ceremony date
       
       
       
      All previous MD Award threads can be found via the topic-tagging system under "MD Awards" if you don't know how to get to that, look just below the title of the thread and click on the words below the Started by.. line.
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