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    Mallos reacted to Muratus del Mur in Alliances and Guilds backdoors   
    every backdoor into an ally will come with benefits and sacrifices.
    Thinking about how to do this, will bring up important concepts and ways of using a25. For example, i think such a backdoor could benefit from a global counter, to prevent it being used too often, or maybe a check for the ally state, to work only if ally is disbanded...things that do not exist right now, but i will code them, and/or document how its done.
    Alliances and guilds should have such backdoors, at least in my opinion.
    Someone asked, what if i have 100 woodcutting but i am in GG, does that make me a lr citizen? well... that would not be ok, but if you could get lr citizenship, and ally membership, at a cost...lets say it costs you your woodcutting skill to  do this, OR, you keep woodcutting skill but lose all other similar skills? 
    The one not joining via an invite, should sacrifice something for this.
    This is intended as a sabotaje tool, or for someone that is rejected by that group but fits from a technical perspective with it.
    My problem is...how to distribute the info on how to access the backdoor? to kings of opposing lands?
    ps. i am aiming for a self balancing mechanism, not for chaos. Consider such ways to join allies, limited to large time intervals, or by sacrifice, i hope they will be used to conclude tensions that have no way to manifest otherwise. I learned much from past events, disbanding allies without dedicated tools, but by actual treason, is much more hurtful.
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    Mallos reacted to Esmaralda in Alliances and Guilds backdoors   
    I don't like the idea of folks being able to join an alliance only to disband it, or kick folks out (I'm sure there are folks that would love the idea just for bragging rights).
    But i am ok with allowing a way to join some alliances, especially dead ones as a way to resurrect it. Perhaps there can be specific land designated alliances that anyone can try to join (available in each land). So maybe the woodcutters guild in Loreroot, but not the CoE, which is more of an RP alliance? Or the water dowsers guild in MB, but not the Knights of Bell as again that seems to be more of an RP alliance to defend a land, so folks who are not really into MB shouldn't just be able to join and leave as they please.
    My big concern is to prevent a few folks going around joining everything and causing havok because they can. Some folks have a lot of loyalty build up from over the years, so if every alliance is fair game, they could simply join everyone, become the leader by default and disband it. People have quit in the past over folks disbanding alliances and with such a small player base, i'd rather not see that again.
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    Mallos reacted to Aia del Mana in Alliances and Guilds backdoors   
    Despite the concern expressed thus far, it seems that the implementation were merely a method to allow for bearers of the A25 Tools to create alternate pathways into alliances. The choice of the alliances that shall use this method and the prerequisite state of such applicants should be discussed with those already within these alliances, especially their leaders.
    I am in favour of Mur's creation of the tools; let the discussion of which alliances they should affect be subsequent to this new function.
    My concerns with the creation of this tool are primarily for the underlying citizenship which is granted upon allegiance. In example, one may become a Lorerootian citizen if she were to amass sufficient woodcutting skill, even if her intent were the destruction of the forest. If citizenship were bound by alliance, then one must require citizenship of a land prior to eligibility for such pathways into alliances. Ungod has alluded to this above; if this is to be so, then shall there also be some method to attain citizenship without requirement of an alliance invitation or monarch's blessing?
    A second concern were in regard to that mentioned by Esmaralda; I would wonder whether one would keep her existing loyalty upon joining such an alliance, or if it would function similar to an invitation, where her loyalty would become a lesser value than the present leader. If this were so, the necessary loyalty loss would deter infiltration by those with high loyalty; this would be my preferred implementation (unless a different method of rank determination were implemented by Chewett in his changes.)
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    Mallos reacted to Aia del Mana in Necrovion demands blood!   
    The dreamcatcher were now more forgiving; it shall no longer snatch heads from one's inventory unless they are willingly offered.
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    Mallos reacted to Ungod in Eat your vegetables   
    I'm writing this post because I assume some of you don't know this stuff, and it's educational and all, so why not.
    I was reading a book today and I stumbled across ''chard'', and I didn't know what that is, so I looked it up. It's basically beet leaves, which is something I do know about. But since in the book chard was so lauded, I was baffled. From my previous research, the leaves of Amaranthea family contain oxalates, so why would you eat them (unless you had no other choice)? Whether it's spinach, beet or amaranth, the leaves will frickin' kill your kidneys if you eat a lot of those. Boiling them might take some oxalates out, but you still get the Ca binding ones, so don't. Spinach is lauded as a great source of Ca - yeah, but none of that enters your body. In fact, due to oxalates, your body loses Ca. Have fun with arthritis, joint pains and weak bones in general. And kidney stones, too.
    So I googled something like 'oxalates in chard' and stumbled across a blog called carnivorous aurelius (lol), which is advertising...eating meat. Yeah, maybe eating spinach won't make you Popeye, but meat comes with its own set of problems. I mean, nothing is disadvantage-free. But, well, the guy's gotta sell dried beef liver, so...
    Anyway, pay attention to what vegetables you eat, what vegetables you feed your kid and remember: nobody wants to be eaten.
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    Mallos reacted to Aia del Mana in MD 15th Anniversary Plushie Shop   
    Item 2 - 10 plushies
    Item 3 (x6) - 150 plushies

    total: 160 plushies
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    Mallos reacted to Ungod in The Guillotine Merchant   
    So, here's the idea: a guillotine. The guillotine is a huge market exchange when you code it, but on the outside is just a regular guillotine. Anyone can sell and buy from the guillotine. You can sell your resources and get silver or gold; items like gold bars or gems would yield more gold, for example. You can also buy resources, but only the ones left there before, and in fixed amounts (e.g. someone has sold 500 timber before you, so you can buy 100 timber). And here's the catch: apart from calculating your due cash, it also calculates your chance to survive the trade. Hey, you're trading, you have to face a risk. 
    When buying, the risk is lower (but it also depends on what you're buying), say, 30-40% lower. Selling, though, means a bigger risk, but you can also get a huge amount of money this way. Plus some skill (trading skill is already taken, so something else) that would work for a nice tag. 
    The guillotine merchant...sounds so nice...😈
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    Mallos got a reaction from Steno in Torch contest for control over NML   
    Bring back torch contest and modify it so the land winner of the torch contest would have their land expand one scene into No Man's Land towards GoE, and subsequently further towards the other lands. Losing the contest would decrease your influence by one scene. The influence would never pass the opposing land's gates. The Path of Loneliness would be skipped over, always a part of Established Housings.
    The goal would be to gain as much influence over NML as possible in order for your citizens to have easier effort moving in the area, and particularly to be able to enter your land with the land loyalty afforded through controlling your gate, and even to control other lands gates!
    Any more thoughts/ideas?
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    Mallos got a reaction from Ledah in Torch contest for control over NML   
    Bring back torch contest and modify it so the land winner of the torch contest would have their land expand one scene into No Man's Land towards GoE, and subsequently further towards the other lands. Losing the contest would decrease your influence by one scene. The influence would never pass the opposing land's gates. The Path of Loneliness would be skipped over, always a part of Established Housings.
    The goal would be to gain as much influence over NML as possible in order for your citizens to have easier effort moving in the area, and particularly to be able to enter your land with the land loyalty afforded through controlling your gate, and even to control other lands gates!
    Any more thoughts/ideas?
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    Mallos got a reaction from lashtal in Torch contest for control over NML   
    Bring back torch contest and modify it so the land winner of the torch contest would have their land expand one scene into No Man's Land towards GoE, and subsequently further towards the other lands. Losing the contest would decrease your influence by one scene. The influence would never pass the opposing land's gates. The Path of Loneliness would be skipped over, always a part of Established Housings.
    The goal would be to gain as much influence over NML as possible in order for your citizens to have easier effort moving in the area, and particularly to be able to enter your land with the land loyalty afforded through controlling your gate, and even to control other lands gates!
    Any more thoughts/ideas?
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    Mallos reacted to Muratus del Mur in Testimonials and teasing presentation   
    hi everyone,
    I need some testimonials type of texts, like for example what means MD to you, or how you would explain what md is to someone that has no clue. They don't need to be positive, but should make someone intrigued and curious.
    If you wish to help me with this, you can post here (if you want them signed by you), or send them to me in private (if you wish to remain anonymous)
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    Mallos reacted to Ledah in New Caretakers Leader - Ledah   
    Thank you to phantasm for inviting me to the alliance initially and coming back to endorse the handover. I know you are a busy man and I hope one day to see you around more often. Hopefully I don't miss you next time! Thank you Mal as well for sticking around
    On a more practical note, there will probably be changes coming to the alliance, any new leader needs to make their mark, after all. With that said, the biggest change that can be made at the moment is adding some new blood, so if anybody is interested in joining, please don't hesitate to make it known.
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    Mallos got a reaction from lashtal in Extreme Magicduel   
    Does anyone else have more?
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    Mallos reacted to DARK DEMON in Hello for the last time, for a long time   
    Hello my friends. 

    This is what most people would call a goodbye, but not me, for I do not believe in absolute decisions.

    I know this post is quite out of the blue. I have been meaning to get to it for quite some time but kept doubting whether I should actually do this.

    For me, MD is no more. 

    I say this because MD was never magicduel.com for me.
    It was my friends, my family, my sparring, my land, my quests, my drama. And for a long while now, every single one of those things has ceased to exist.

    I cannot count the number of beautiful memories I have spent with you all. I want them to stay beautiful memories rather than become tarnished by the current state of the realm. 
    Not that this is anyone's fault. Chewett, Mur and countless others have worked tirelessly to give us the experience we have loved all these years.
    I just think that this concept, this idea, this story that is called MD... was never meant to last forever. It just isn't built to be sustainable. Like every little project within it, this entire project as a whole is meant to be left incomplete and eventually abandoned among a long list of other never-ending tasks. Every inch of this website that is called magicduel.com is screaming every day to free itself and end its pain. I have now decided to play my part in that, because I wish you remember it and you all in the best way possible.
    I hope one day, many many years from now, my kid browses the net trying to figure out what game they should treat themselves with on their 16th birthday, as their father once did. And they come upon a familiar face called magicduel. And by that time it's an insane next level 'game' that we all hoped it would be. They would show me what its like and I would pretend I had never heard of it and tell them to enjoy. I would then cry that whole night in silence in a mixture of sadness and happiness.

    Thank you, all of you. Every single one. Those who are closest to me, the ones I spent my best memories with and had the dearest of conversations with - I hope you read this and know who you are.
    Thank you for creating the world's most beautiful prison. Its now time to set myself free.
    "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".
    Hello everyone, one last time. 
    Yours forever, 
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    Mallos reacted to Muratus del Mur in Hello for the last time, for a long time   
    Touching words.
    Nothing is meant to last forever, that includes also you, me, anyone, not just "a game". From my perspective, i see MD as a place where people come, learn, evolve, get frustrated, revives their curiosity, they make friends, etc.. its a place, disguised as a journey. At some point in life, every such place you encounter teaches you a lesson, then you leave with what you learned. You go on, and the place opens its gates for an other one and so on. 
    People always wished to expect from MD an end, while it has no end. Just think of the concepts..i started coding it when i didn't knew how to code, i put in it things i discovered through my life, and so did many. Such a "place" has no way of reaching an end, its not designed to do that. All i hoped was that over the years i build enough of MD that people _passing through_ it will find sufficient for their journey, not to trap them inside and promise them a conclusion that is not their. Each one finds its own way through, the difference is made by what they gather during this journey, in their mind, soul and life experience.
    I am the only one truly trapped in here, and as long as i live, Md will live with me, opening its gates to whoever is attracted by its mysteries.
    Wish you well, I hope it was a fruitfull journey, and as long as you don't self-destruct your account, it will always be here for you if you miss it.
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    Mallos reacted to lashtal in Necrovion demands blood!   
    Since the dreamcatcher appeared at the Howling Gates, more people were found inside Necrovion, having no clue how to get out.
    This is my last warning: leave the dreamcatcher alone or get killed.
    If you wish to visit Necrovion, contact me in advance:
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    Mallos reacted to Chewett in Map for land 4 (archives inner) doesnt display   
    Should probably be the same map as land 3
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    Mallos reacted to Aia del Mana in how to guard something whose whole existence is pain   
    A question, if I may:
    Were there any appreciable difference betwixt its suffering when skies are clear, and when rain should fall?
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    Mallos got a reaction from Tissy in VP decreasing continuously   
    Being the negative stats opposite person that I am, my VP has never been better. Although my vitality is steadily decreasing

    well one regen later and it is fixing itself, but i'm not too sure yet, will check back soon

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    Mallos reacted to Muratus del Mur in A new value unit - donating hours of my life :)   
    Over the years, in MD, many people learned things that eventually changed their life.
    In 15 years of MagicDuel, this is probably the most valuable thing thing one could obtain, along with lifetime friends.
    I want to revive this "MD spirit" 
    So...what is this about? Let me try to explain it
    People can be divided in two categories, and all people belong to both  so how is this ? Each one of us has questions but also answers. In your line of work, you might be paid with 100Eur/hour or 2Eur/hour, its still an hour of your life. There are many young people that might spend years of their life searching for something they love to do, or discover that something in the most unexpected place. Myself, i teached things i knew to md people, sometimes "pro-bono" other times because i needed them to do things, but either way, in the end, they learned something new.
    I wish to introduce a new value unit, lets call it "lecture coins". 
    One lecture coin equals one hour of your life sharing knowledge from your line of work, regardless what your work is. You might be a good programmer, or a doctor (and yes we have several in md), or you might be simply a delivery guy thinking you have nothing valuable to share. One lecture coin equals one hours of your life, and in that hour you must share your knowledge from your field of work, as best as you can, as if your life depended on it.
    The person "listening" and learning from you, will discover the tips and tricks of your particular line of work, and might love it, or might just expand his knowledge about it for other use, regardless, that person, the pupil, will pay you one lecture coin for that hour of your life. With that coin you can "buy" time from someone else, equal also one hour of their time, sharing detailed and valuable info from their own knowledge.
    You might think...some peoples time values more than others, and thats true...but knowledge is knowledge, and if you are looking for it, its valuable, regardles how much it costs as monetary value its still an HOUR of someones life.
    The rules are these:
    For one full hour, you will try to answer any question, but  also provide unrequested info from your personal expertise, as if you would have to teach someone to do your job the next day. 
    You will put all possible effort into this, during that hour, and that person will rate you at the end, telling if you provided info that was valuable, or not.
    In exchange, you receive a lecture coin, that you will be able to use for same purpose yourself.
    Also, you will have a "menu" presenting all possible knowledge fields you could cover, regardless how stupid or valuable they might be. You could be a SEO expert or lawyer, asking for 600$/hour, or a pizza guy that could share tips and tricks about how to do that job better, its equal value. Think that you might change lives forever, losing just an hour or two of your life, you might make someone a better person, or earn a lifetime friend.
    I will be the first to donate time of my life to this. I will sponsor lecture coins to anyone that wishes to participate, and get people that want to listen to what they have to say, for one hour, and these lecture coins are payment i will accept for my own time, sharing information the best i can, from any field i might have something to say about.
    As example, i will show you my menu, for anyone interested:
    My current "Menu" is this:
    - Learning programming in general
    - Tips and tricks about webdevelopment and webdev tips and tricks accumlated over years, not easy to find online
    - How to start to learn python (:D i am new to it too, but i will share an hour with you, guiding you through the best and most time saving info i can)
    - Any question you could ask a webdeveloper with 20years experience paid with 50$/h, i will consider you paid me 50$ and act accordingly, but will do only knowlede sharing, not work in your place.
    - neural networks, robotics, and anything related i might know
    - a random choice of art related activity i will pick, that you could replicate
    -  Anything else i might know and you know how to ask, to the best of my ability
    - a mix of all of the above, trying to the best of my ability to find something that interests you personally. I will consider you pay me double my hourly rate, only if you are satisfied in the end, even if its all for free.
    - psychological adice and personal experience share of how to overcome addictions (why not, i've become an expert from my own experience and from others)
    - cooking lessons of my favorite food adapted to your resources
    I will start sharing 3 hours of my life to either individuals, or groups, and expect other professionals out there to contribute the same way.
    Do you want to participate and learn new stuff. Either participate as a student or as a teacher.
    Thats it.. i hope this initiative resonates with you, because i think MD is about knowing people and learning from them, so if you are here, lets get organized
    Overall i plan to put in motion 100 lecture coins, that will circulate in exchange of hours of your knowldge. 100 should be more than enough, but i will start with sponsoring you if you offer to share hours, or learn, and with hours of my time, each valuing one symbolic coin. 
    These coins will be also given as items in your md inventory, and medals will come for those that gather most.
    My time is very limited so i will select the people i wish to dedicate time to, but just ask...or offer.
    Thats all.
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    Mallos reacted to Steno in Principle Documents   
    Were you still working on this Aia?
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    Mallos reacted to Dhyone in On stupidity   
    Age is teaching you how to be empathic. That is one of the best things you can be in life... Life gets a little easier when you understand what motivates other people, and not just judge by your feelings...
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    Mallos reacted to Ungod in On stupidity   
    I'm gonna share something with you because I am getting old and some stuff that I held to be true before just doesn't make sense anymore. I can't find stupid people in my world  
    Yesterday I went to do some house viewing and one of the houses was a nice little setup. The story was about two young lovebirds who bought a house and made the necessary arrangements to live in style there, but some years ago things happened and they decided to leave for UK for good. Now the house is empty, but look how beautiful it looks! Everything's new, the location is great, it's a bargain! Everybody would say 'They were stupid to leave all this'.
    Regardless, my bullshit radar activated and I need no confirmation to be sure that this was a house bought at half the price they're selling, put in maybe 5k to make it look nice and another 5k to dress it up and expect some huge profit. Hey, there's money to be made in this industry, even if it's dying atm. I chuckled at the bubble bathtub for two people. The marketing is great - it's those young gullible couples who'd bleed their money over it. Stupid? I don't think so, this was all well-planned and executed.
    Years ago, I was making a trip that involved crossing a border. That usually took about an hour or so, but what was particularly memorable about the trip was that the driver decided to bring three little kittens with him (they were in the back). Sure, kittens look nice in pics, but once they start pissing and shitting in their cage (because of fear, hunger, car-sickness, I don't know), hehehe, the joke's on you. And the driver...was exceedingly happy that day. From the beginning to the end, he kept chuckling and making jokes. I think many of us feel something is wrong when something IS wrong. I didn't know what was wrong, but soon after the trip I had this weird thought in my mind - was he smuggling cocaine (after sniffling some)? Some reader from the US may say 'Well, duh', but in Europe things are a little different. When there's smuggling, everyone's usually on it - not a lot of freelancing around. 
    'Fucking moron, dumbass, cretin, imbecile' are all adjectives we, the passengers, lovingly attributed to the driver. But was he an idiot for transporting the three kittens (given to him by 'an animal loving friend') or was he deterring policemen (and police dogs) from getting at the back? Stupid? I don't think so, he was laughing his ass off.
    And I...tried to educate some people around me. I thought 'If I'd explain things to them, they'd get it and we'd all  do something good together'. How wrong I was! In thinking people don't know better (a.k.a. 'are stupid'), I was the only idiot of there. One person in my life drove me crazy, until I realized she wasn't dumb, just didn't want to accept the kind of reality I was looking at. I mean I can't pretend I don't see what I see. I suppose we all ignore some aspects of life - we're not invincible - but some people run from reality far and wide. Stupid? Nah, just weak and wanting protection, not the harsh reality and the obliteration of dreams (I'm *this* close to joining SI).
    In any case, the proverbial fool is harder to spot than the Yeti. There have been more sightings of the Loch Ness monster. Sure, stories are using this trope and comedy inevitably has 'a dumb one'. But if you think someone is stupid, and laugh at him/her, you'd better take a look in the mirror. The one who doesn't understand things is you.
    (P.S. This is how you kill laughter and create a gloomy world - show people the reality. And... be sure to take away their booze and drugs.)
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    Mallos reacted to klatdees in been a while   
    Just here to say hi again, for people who remember me
    I woke up -- didn't think that would happen, but didn't make preposterous precautions against it by changing the password and locking myself out of the email this time, unlike back when I was Minty and tried to leave...
    So yup, still a prisoner in this rat maze
    you people are cool and shaped my formative years...no real escaping that
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    Mallos reacted to Chewett in Discussion on RP Reality and similar other concepts.   
    Today we talked about RP Reality and similar other concepts.

    [04/05/20 17:20] Aelis:Do you think RP reality indicator would be better?
    [04/05/20 17:20] Aelis:Or a whole new name for it?
    [04/05/20 17:21] Ungod:a name change is not what i\'m interested, although some language aspects should be polished, or else it\'s just confusing
    [04/05/20 17:22] Aelis:Ah yes. A lot of sections need polishing
    [04/05/20 17:22] Ungod:it says there this indicator is a reminder that the more people see it and accept it, the more real it becomes
    [04/05/20 17:23] Ungod:but then why is it a requirement? for what? it\'s not a requirement, it\'s a reminder
    [04/05/20 17:24] Ungod:and it\'s not a reminder, it\'s a number that tells you your actions have become more real now that more people watch it and accept it
    [04/05/20 17:24] Aelis:I think that section makes sense when there were people roleplaying insanely powerful stuff
    [04/05/20 17:24] Aelis:I think the "meta" has changed in MD
    [04/05/20 17:25] Ungod:well...that means we can cut out that section now?
    [04/05/20 17:25] Ungod:since we have items, actions, tags etc
    [04/05/20 17:25] Ungod:and they\'re only going to become \'more real\'
    [04/05/20 17:25] Aelis:It\'s still important I think
    [04/05/20 17:25] Aelis:Like in the strict part:
    [04/05/20 17:26] Ungod:OR we can develop that section somehow
    [04/05/20 17:26] Aelis:These are the things you can do based on your actual abilities such as spells or special interfaces, actions supported by your inventory items, fights, and other interface supported actions. Simple lo
    [04/05/20 17:26] Aelis:I really like this bit
    [04/05/20 17:26] Ungod:that poses a question, though
    [04/05/20 17:26] Aelis:How do you feel about "RP Reality"
    [04/05/20 17:26] :Steno plunders ☻2 heads by attacking appiek
    [04/05/20 17:26] Aelis:No other word after that
    [04/05/20 17:26] Ungod:suppose there\'s nobody watching and you stand on your head
    [04/05/20 17:27] Ungod:according to the rp requirement, it\'s not real. nobody0\'s watching
    [04/05/20 17:27] Ungod:suppose you perform a spell, which is more real than your rp
    [04/05/20 17:27] Ungod:but there\'s nobody watching, so how real is it compared to what you wrote in chat/roleplayed?
    [04/05/20 17:28] Aelis:Heh I like where you\'re going
    [04/05/20 17:28] Aelis:Well the trigger panel makes it "real for everyone"
    [04/05/20 17:28] Aelis:It\'s visible from every scene
    [04/05/20 17:28] Aelis:Can\'t get more real than that
    [04/05/20 17:29] Ungod:ok, but this is basically the system deciding to commu icate your rp to the whole realm
    [04/05/20 17:29] Aelis:Other items that don\'t show triggers also make changes in the DB
    [04/05/20 17:29] Ungod:it no longer depends on the number of people watching
    [04/05/20 17:29] Aelis:Which is something I\'d consider a good requirement for reality
    [04/05/20 17:29] Aelis:It changes the state of the world
    [04/05/20 17:30] Ungod:theoretically, you ccould say it\'s strict reality, but the number is missing
    [04/05/20 17:30] Aelis:Whereas "simple words" don\'t
    [04/05/20 17:30] Ungod:yes, but it no longer has any relation with the rp req
    [04/05/20 17:30] Ungod:i.e. the number of people watching
    [04/05/20 17:30] Chewett:Feel free to write these things up and I can make "big changes"
    [04/05/20 17:30] Ungod:it\'s \'\'automated\'\', so to speak, asking for nobody\'s implicit or explicit approval
    [04/05/20 17:30] Chewett:Going back to work now!
    [04/05/20 17:31] Ungod:good luck, Chewett
    [04/05/20 17:31] Aelis:See ya, Chewett
    [04/05/20 17:31] Aelis:Have a nice one
    [04/05/20 17:31] Aelis:Ungod, I guess it\'s because it\'s not RP
    [04/05/20 17:31] Aelis:It\'s mechanic
    [04/05/20 17:31] Ungod:but it\'s in the damn description you quoted
    [04/05/20 17:32] Aelis:It\'s vague, I agree
    [04/05/20 17:32] Ungod:that means it needs updated, right?
    [04/05/20 17:32] Aelis:But I guess it\'s referring to something like...
    [04/05/20 17:32] Aelis:Let\'s see..
    [04/05/20 17:32] Aelis:I say something like
    [04/05/20 17:32] :Aelis casts a magic rope that prevents Ungod from attacking
    [04/05/20 17:32] Aelis:and THEN I cast attacklock on you
    [04/05/20 17:33] Aelis:It\'s like asterisks backed by game mechanics
    [04/05/20 17:33] Aelis:It\'s not game mechanics on their own
    [04/05/20 17:33] Aelis:... I still agree with an update though
    [04/05/20 17:33] Ungod:but how is this less real (or not strict reality) than if you have 30 people and you just write the magic rope thing without the actual spell?
    [04/05/20 17:34] Ungod:because according to the rp req, it\'s less real
    [04/05/20 17:34] Aelis:Because people won\'t just believe you did that
    [04/05/20 17:34] Ungod:if you have 30 people chanting \'Go, Go, Aelis\', it\'s real fo\' sure. If you have 2 people chanting it, it\'s less real
    [04/05/20 17:35] Ungod:if you have 30 people watching you get entangled in rope, it\'s real; if you have 3 people and a spell, it\'s lesss real
    [04/05/20 17:35] Ungod:even if there\'s a spell
    [04/05/20 17:35] Aelis:I don\'t think that\'s the way it works
    [04/05/20 17:35] Aelis:With 30 people it\'s even harder for you to get entangled
    [04/05/20 17:36] Aelis:And a spell might be the only way to convince them
    [04/05/20 17:36] Ungod:and if they do?
    [04/05/20 17:36] Ungod:without the spell
    [04/05/20 17:37] Aelis:Then that\'s it I guess
    [04/05/20 17:37] Aelis: (gotta go afk for 5 minutes)
    [04/05/20 17:37] Ungod: (ok)
    [04/05/20 17:37] Ungod:The thing is, it says here some things are more real than others, world, depending on how many observe the same "reality"
    [04/05/20 17:38] Ungod:If that is true, then 30 people observing an attacklock without the spell are experiencing a stronger reality than 3 people experiencing the attacklock spell
    [04/05/20 17:39] Aelis:Only if all the 30 people accept that, which is highly unlikely
    [04/05/20 17:39] Aelis:The strict requirement adds this:
    [04/05/20 17:39] Aelis:Only real things, irrefutable to anyone present.
    [04/05/20 17:40] Aelis:And the real one is even strciter in that sense
    [04/05/20 17:40] Aelis:If anyone doubts one little aspect of your roleplay, then it\'s "not real"
    [04/05/20 17:40] Aelis:I see it as a guideline for people trying to do overpowered things via asterisks
    [04/05/20 17:41] Steno:Aelis didn\'t rope on you, he used spider silk instead (like that?)
    [04/05/20 17:42] Ungod:he just types ultra fast, so that your vision blurs
    [04/05/20 17:42] Aelis:Back then people were riding unicorns and throwing fireballs
    [04/05/20 17:42] Aelis:The RP reality thing came as a reaction to that, I believe
    [04/05/20 17:42] Chewett:Yes
    [04/05/20 17:42] Steno:Indeed. Now that people see that less often they fall more in the realm of feasible
    [04/05/20 17:42] Chewett:It was intended to anchor personal RP, to "actual" RP
    [04/05/20 17:43] Steno:Like the whole "he made a rocket and flew it into the sky" Yeah no, that makes it seem like a joke
    [04/05/20 17:43] Chewett:We had a lot of "random" RP, back in the day
    [04/05/20 17:43] Steno:People were saying they were forming black holes and folding the cube back onto itself and expecting that because they said it Mur would "make it real"
    [04/05/20 17:43] Chewett:Thats why my ceremony, ensured that nothing was "over the top"
    [04/05/20 17:43] Chewett:It was purely based on facts everyone agreed with
    [04/05/20 17:44] Ungod:so we can all agree that if someone uses a spell in the scene, it\'s very real, even for 2 people, just as real as roleplaying done and accepted by 4 people
    [04/05/20 17:44] Chewett:And thats how it "became real"
    [04/05/20 17:44] Chewett:Thats why a lot of the past peolpe trying to get leadership of the east failed.
    [04/05/20 17:44] Steno:yes
    [04/05/20 17:44] Chewett:They failed to recognise, that for it to be real it, it needs to be acceptable to everyone.
    [04/05/20 17:44] Steno:Game mechanics facilitate all reality. They even create that reality
    [04/05/20 17:46] Ungod:ok, so this reality requirement serves the purpose of telling people if they want their actions to be believable, they have to test them in front of many (unless its backed by game mechanics)
    [04/05/20 17:46] Steno: *nods* That\'s how I interpret it.
    [04/05/20 17:46] Ungod:there\'s not much sense to put all those numbers there, then
    [04/05/20 17:46] Chewett:Not belivable, "recognised by the game"
    [04/05/20 17:46] Chewett:Thats the key thing
    [04/05/20 17:47] Steno:So saying "my character hid out in the labyrinth and no one was there and got super strong, or developed the power of flight" when no one was around for their 100 days of logins only, doesn\'t work
    [04/05/20 17:47] Ungod:how does the game recognize it, then?
    [04/05/20 17:47] Ungod:isn\'t it by admin powers?
    [04/05/20 17:47] Steno:Chew can you elaborate on what you mean by that?
    [04/05/20 17:48] Chewett:The game, is an elaborate way of saying "everything"
    [04/05/20 17:49] Chewett:The game encompasses, your character, the other people, and the secret ones.
    [04/05/20 17:49] Chewett:If you go to Mur and say "I am King of East, make me king" he goes "nah mate, thats your fantasy"
    [04/05/20 17:49] Chewett:Because your "truth" does not match the reality requirements, its just fanciful
    [04/05/20 17:49] Chewett:Thats where others failed.
    [04/05/20 17:50] :Steno dismembered appiek and took all ☻117 heads.
    [04/05/20 17:50] Chewett:What you have to do is actually have the right "level" of belief
    [04/05/20 17:50] Chewett:Then the "game" belives you, and you should get what has become true.
    [04/05/20 17:51] Chewett:So because I created a world in MD where, everyone accepted I was king, I was made king.
    [04/05/20 17:51] Chewett:It fits along with the principle of "You get what you already have"
    [04/05/20 17:51] Chewett:If you can create a MD where you are an X, then you should then be given everything to be X
    [04/05/20 17:51] Ungod:so when the game recognizes what you do, it becomes real. this is the way to \'fabric\' reality
    [04/05/20 17:51] Chewett:Because you are already X
    [04/05/20 17:51] Chewett:Yeah
    [04/05/20 17:51] Steno:So if I decided that to ascend to MP5 I had to have an ornate ceremony with people attending, that would become my reality?
    [04/05/20 17:51] Ungod:in fantasy
    [04/05/20 17:52] Chewett:Now, the game itself cannot do that by itself. You need "someone" to press the buttons
    [04/05/20 17:52] MaGoHi:i thought the X was a kiss
    [04/05/20 17:52] MaGoHi:xD
    [04/05/20 17:52] Steno:And I couldn\'t ascend until people showed up to said ornate ceremony?
    [04/05/20 17:52] Ungod:wait, hold on, now it starts to make sense why it\'s a requirement...this number is the requirement for you to be able to fabric the reality
    [04/05/20 17:54] Ungod:so let\'s see...the game also has stuff where there\'s no requirement for things to be accepted, such as spells or items
    [04/05/20 17:55] Steno:Because the spell and item is already accepted by the game, otherwise the spell wouldn\'t be part of the game
    [04/05/20 17:55] Ungod:darn it! we only had 5 members as Baconeers!
    [04/05/20 17:55] Aia:It were easier for one\'s reality to be made so if it were not too different from that which all do believe,
    [04/05/20 17:56] Aia:A spell cast may, in example, be tangibly an opening of a portal.
    [04/05/20 17:57] Ungod:the really weird thing is that the game here is to \'create reality\', which is strange. Then again, i never played MD back then
    [04/05/20 17:58] Aia:It seems that the more power a being purports to possess, the harder it were to make it real for all else.
    [04/05/20 17:58] Ungod:aha, so...MD was rather void and it needed to be filled, so that\'s just a guideline for the process
    [04/05/20 17:59] Ungod:unless you have the tools and admin powers , Aia
    [04/05/20 17:59] Steno:The more gradual the change, the more believable it is
    [04/05/20 17:59] Ungod:that\'s right, which is why people are always pissed off when Mur changes stuf
    [04/05/20 18:00] Chewett:Could be
    [04/05/20 18:00] Ungod:disband lhos...hold on, it\'s not believable. I just did it, so it is 😛
    [04/05/20 18:00] Aia:Indeed; but consider also that the tools are also a method to grant one what she already doth possess.
    [04/05/20 18:00] Chewett:I will log this and put it on the forum
    [04/05/20 18:00] Chewett:Its an interesting discussion
    [04/05/20 18:00] Ungod:coool
    [04/05/20 18:00] Ungod: (cool*)
    [04/05/20 18:00] Aelis:It is!
    [04/05/20 18:00] Chewett:But certainly, for "big things" then you need people to be doing some "real" things
    [04/05/20 18:00] Steno:It sums up one of the core aspects of the entire experience, at least in my mind
    [04/05/20 18:01] Chewett:When we did the SoE thing, many years ago, we got people releasing heat
    [04/05/20 18:01] Aelis:Reminds me of those posts you posted in the MDA site a while ago, Chew.
    [04/05/20 18:01] Aelis:Should it go there too?
    [04/05/20 18:01] Chewett:It was a purely mechanical "thing" but as we had so many people we had to make it real
    [04/05/20 18:01] Steno:So instead of Aia changing who she was alone, she incorporated lashtal\'s help and made a ritual?
    [04/05/20 18:01] Aia:I do not believe that Mur hath granted thyself, or myself, these tools because we had not already shaped the realm.
    [04/05/20 18:01] Steno: (Aia, that sounds so very Murr-ish of you )
    [04/05/20 18:02] Aia:A realm-shaper would shape the realm without them, surely, and does so with them.
    [04/05/20 18:03] Aia: (I have some examples, but it seems like it would be bragging to mention them)
    [04/05/20 18:03] Ungod:how about now? we obviously have other kind of limits so the requirement is not that important, but
    [04/05/20 18:04] Ungod:take the GWI, for example
    [04/05/20 18:04] Ungod:new people had to fabric the reality of escaping there, and it was basically a thing between them and the guardian
    [04/05/20 18:04] Ungod:they had tools at their disposal, so I guess that works, eliminating the need for many people...perhaps?
    [04/05/20 18:05] :appiek plunders ☻2 heads by attacking Steno
    [04/05/20 18:05] Ungod:the GWI was a place where roleplay was just like \'the old times\', no?
    [04/05/20 18:05] Aia: *nods* MaGoHi did mention the possibility of creating jet-packs to escape the Island.
    [04/05/20 18:06] Aia:This was his example where one\'s reality were not accepted.
    [04/05/20 18:08] Ungod:ok, so...that kind of roleplay is still possible, but is overshadowed by the content A25 tools will be bringing
    [04/05/20 18:08] Aia:Chewett, I wonder if aught did approach thee for new roles this Anniversary.
    [04/05/20 18:08] Ungod:not to mention other improvements, or the items branch in shop
    [04/05/20 18:08] Chewett:No one has come to me about new roles but I think that is important
    [04/05/20 18:08] Steno:See I thought roles were not asked for, they were given by the community by your actions making your role apparent?
    [04/05/20 18:09] Steno:So as to make your place "undeniable" as it were
    [04/05/20 18:09] Chewett:I have a few pending as part of my Grand Dukedom of the east.
    [04/05/20 18:10] Aia: *nods* Many must yearn to be a loyal subject of thine.
    [04/05/20 18:10] Chewett:But the majority of them are people that are already doing things
    [04/05/20 18:10] Chewett:Or my suggestion that they should have such a tag if they do a few more things
    [04/05/20 18:11] Ungod:that means you no longer can \'create reality\' the way yo could, numbers being less relevant and so the rp requirement will become more and more of an artifact of th past
    [04/05/20 18:12] Ungod:ok, that gave me an idea or two
    [04/05/20 18:12] Aia:I would applaud the return of more custom titles, if naught else.
    [04/05/20 18:14] Aia:Titles and attempting to create roles within them did increase of the interplay of beings.
    [04/05/20 18:14] :Miq makes his tag more appaling
    [04/05/20 18:14] Miq:So you all know how you get to be a king *grins*
    [04/05/20 18:14] :Steno laughs
    [04/05/20 18:15] :Steno plunders ☻2 heads by attacking appiek
    [04/05/20 18:15] :appiek clubbered Steno and took all ☻121 heads.
    [04/05/20 18:15] Chewett:Iv told them my secret Miq
    [04/05/20 18:16] Miq:which one?
    [04/05/20 18:16] Chewett:Im heading back to work, but I will acoustic this in an hour or so
    [04/05/20 18:16] Miq:nr six?
    [04/05/20 18:16] Chewett:Ask King Miq to make you a King, then he does it
    [04/05/20 18:16] Chewett:Thats my secret
    [04/05/20 18:16] Miq:ah nr 4
    [04/05/20 18:18] Aia:I wonder, in example, if one attempted to become the adopted Prince of Marind\'s Bell; if the King should abdicate, this would leave one well-placed to inherit the throne.
    [04/05/20 18:18] Ungod:there was an ann about kingship being passed down
    [04/05/20 18:19] Aia:I yet only recall of one incident of its like.
    [04/05/20 18:19] Aia:And this did pertain to the Khalazdad dynasty.
    [04/05/20 18:21] Miq:most kings don\'t bother with dealing owns mortality
    [04/05/20 18:22] Aia:Indeed, but most will consider of their legacy.
    [04/05/20 18:23] Ungod: (correct me if i\'m wrong: the old MD meant you had little, so you had to think really hard about what is real and how to create reality; therefore)
    [04/05/20 18:24] Ungod: (the more content the game has, the less freedom you0ll have and you won\'t be thikìnking hard about what is real)
    [04/05/20 18:24] Steno:Old MD was scenes, plus creatures, plus story, plus weapons, a few "spells".
    [04/05/20 18:24] Chewett:Old Md means a lot of different things to a lot of different people
    [04/05/20 18:24] Chewett:Just FYI
    [04/05/20 18:25] Ungod:i\'m just trying to focus on this one aspect - roleplay
    [04/05/20 18:25] Aia: (Alternatively, more content means more framework for dedicated roles)
    [04/05/20 18:25] Ungod:bascially, the more content MD will have, the less people have to think about \'what is really real\', so to speak
    [04/05/20 18:25] Chewett:Yep thats true Ungod
    [04/05/20 18:26] Chewett:Thats why all the previous East "false kings" failed
    [04/05/20 18:26] Chewett:They focussed too much on trying to get the crown in some way, rather than doing it the "old way" like I did
    [04/05/20 18:26] Chewett:Its why some of the "new" players are surprised it just happened, wheras the old hands like Steno are like "Well Dur, thats obvious thats how you do it"
    [04/05/20 18:27] Chewett:Its why also some of the old "false kings" in the east have been surprised it was "easy"
    [04/05/20 18:27] Chewett:Well it wasnt easy because it took a lot of time and effort organising
    [04/05/20 18:27] Chewett:It looks easy, becasue thats the end goal, once you "make it real" it is real, so its easy
    [04/05/20 18:27] Chewett:The making it real takes the real effort
    [04/05/20 18:27] Chewett:Took a lot to get some of the lands there, Even Mag over there was present!
    [04/05/20 18:29] Ungod:so how do we force people to fabric and still add content? because yes, it means more framework for dedicated roles, but it could also mean point and click
    [04/05/20 18:29] Ungod:fabric reality*
    [04/05/20 18:29] Ungod:i\'m a woodcutter! i cut wood. point and click, rinse and repeat
    [04/05/20 18:30] Aia: (because the roles have to agree with the accepted framework of "reality")
    [04/05/20 18:30] Ungod: (yeah, you collect wood until you reach the skill needed for the tag)
    [04/05/20 18:31] Ungod: (it\'s a lengthy process, you also need to join LR etc, but it\'s fairly clear)
    [04/05/20 18:31] Ungod: (direct road to it, which takes away the \'is this real\'?)
    [04/05/20 18:32] Steno:Indeed. But what isn\'t clear is what you do with that tag. Also, the RP is in how you get to 40. Did you buy a bunch of magical potions to give +3 repeatedly, or did you sweat and bleed every day?
    [04/05/20 18:32] Ungod:yea, and it\'s too simple
    [04/05/20 18:32] Aia: (It is a very clear way though; Nadrolski is a good example of a resource based role)
    [04/05/20 18:32] Ungod:there are no 20 people who have to accept it, so you ahve to think about how to present it ina real fashion
    [04/05/20 18:32] Aelis:In the end a tag means little if the person doesn\'t play that role
    [04/05/20 18:33] Aelis:To me, at least.
    [04/05/20 18:33] Ungod:you just do it, you know how
    [04/05/20 18:33] Steno:Yes, like if I asked Ledah to get me wood, would he?
    [04/05/20 18:33] Ungod:as for the tag, we can add content
    [04/05/20 18:33] Aia: (It is hard to deny that you have cut 100000 trees if your stat suggests it)
    [04/05/20 18:33] Ungod: (yeah, but the rp effort incolved is nill. you just pointed and clicked)
    [04/05/20 18:33] Aia: (This suggests that you did actions consistent with the role already)
    [04/05/20 18:34] Ungod: (yes, but its totally different from how things used to be, no?)
    [04/05/20 18:34] Steno:No, you gave up time. Your PRESENCE in the game was devoted, at least in part, to woodcutting, you earned it
    [04/05/20 18:34] Ungod:yes, but it\'s a different kind of effort
    [04/05/20 18:34] Ungod:it\'s like grinders
    [04/05/20 18:34] Ungod:combat grinders
    [04/05/20 18:34] Steno:Whereas you could have sat in MDP using astericks saying you were "cutting wood" if you did that every day, wouldn\'t eventually your role be a woodcarver?
    [04/05/20 18:34] Aelis:To some people that effort matters more than anything else in this realm
    [04/05/20 18:35] Aelis:Yeah, just like grinders
    [04/05/20 18:35] Ungod:yea, but for that kind of effort creatures were invented, not the rp reality requirement
    [04/05/20 18:35] Aia: (Combat roles would be a thing if there was a method to measure it... like attack stat)
    [04/05/20 18:35] Aelis:There should be room for everybody. I see the resources thing as a niche for those kind of players.
    [04/05/20 18:35] Steno: (I will admit, having so many creatures makes it harder and harder to say they are \'part of my mindset\')
    [04/05/20 18:35] Aia: (why aren\'t they a thing again?)
    [04/05/20 18:35] Chewett:Look at Nad and his water gathering
    [04/05/20 18:35] Ungod:what i\'m trying to say, is RP is vastly different and the allure of the MD I never played was characters born out of \'how do i make myself recognized when i have nothning?\'
    [04/05/20 18:36] Chewett:Efforts in the game, meant that he became the defactor water gatherer
    [04/05/20 18:36] Aia: (nad is the prime example of resource-role)
    [04/05/20 18:36] Steno:You can choose to RP through game mechanics alone, or you can use astericks to build the reality by shaping how people view you
    [04/05/20 18:36] Chewett:I disagree
    [04/05/20 18:36] Chewett:Nad does both
    [04/05/20 18:37] Aelis:Yeah, there are multiple paths
    [04/05/20 18:37] Aia: (I don\'t mean he doesn\'t do it in other ways too)
    [04/05/20 18:37] Steno:Hmmm... I see what you meant, I don\'t mean that the options are mutually exclusive chew. I just mean the universal solvent is what other players "see" hence the RP requirement
    [04/05/20 18:37] Chewett:Its a spectrum
    [04/05/20 18:38] Steno:Indeed
    [04/05/20 18:39] Steno:Like when I think of resources, weren\'t there people with high woodcutting who ultimately recieved roles of being able to "construct" new items?
    [04/05/20 18:39] Ungod:dod that thing happen?
    [04/05/20 18:39] Steno: (though they went inactive and didn\'t really utilize their roles a lot, according to the forums)
    [04/05/20 18:39] Ungod:did*
    [04/05/20 18:39] Aelis:Who got that role?
    [04/05/20 18:39] Ungod:ooh, like back then, with Udgard and others
    [04/05/20 18:39] Aelis:I might have missed it
    [04/05/20 18:39] Aelis:Oh those were pre-resources
    [04/05/20 18:40] Aia: (the crafters?)
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:It is part of what I am planning to arrange Ungod
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:The kings, IMO, should have been pushing things forward
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:They have not
    [04/05/20 18:40] Steno:Oh, my bad. My time-frame is off (reading all of the forums without timeframe makes it hard to shuffle in brain)
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:I will be
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:Aelis is the fist guini pig
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:Dont tell him
    [04/05/20 18:40] Chewett:Its a secret
    [04/05/20 18:40] Ungod:ok
    [04/05/20 18:40] Aelis:!
    [04/05/20 18:41] Ungod:i won\'te tell Aelis no matter what
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Chewett shushes them all
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Aia looks at Miq\'s implied non-progression
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Chewett especially Aelis
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Ungod takes the bribery money
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Aelis looks the other way
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Steno distracts Miq
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Chewett passed Silver coin to Ungod
    [04/05/20 18:41] :Chewett shushes
    [04/05/20 18:42] :Ungod nods and hides it in his sleeve
    [04/05/20 18:42] Steno:Aia, I could see your desire to have kings drive research into creature descriptions fitting in this.
    [04/05/20 18:43] Aia:Would one require... an enchantress to enchant of magical items?
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:Aelis already knows my plans
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:So it should not be shocking
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:I see a lot of good people ready to start new exciting roles
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:They just need to be reminded what those roles are
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:and IMO kings should be pushing people forard
    [04/05/20 18:43] Chewett:And when I use the word Kings
    [04/05/20 18:44] Chewett:I obviously also refer to our fair Monarch Lintara too
    [04/05/20 18:44] Chewett:I merely an a lazy slob of a King
    [04/05/20 18:44] :Aia hides the Enchantress\'s Grimoire in her inventory
    [04/05/20 18:44] Chewett:And use a singular gender
    [04/05/20 18:44] Aelis:That\'s a really nice initiative, Chew.
    [04/05/20 18:44] Aelis:Now that the birthday is over I\'m ready to resume my work. *smiles*
    [04/05/20 18:44] Chewett:Certainly, in MaBeast, we want to find out what people are wanting to do, and push them forward
    [04/05/20 18:45] Chewett:So join MaBeast!
    [04/05/20 18:45] Chewett:<end advertising>
    [04/05/20 18:45] Ungod:I\'d like a conclusion for this,: is the RP requirement an obsolete link useful for when we\'ll have 60 people plying wildly, OR
    [04/05/20 18:45] Chewett:Being serious, yeah I think thats part of the Monarchs role
    [04/05/20 18:45] Ungod:can/should it be improved ins ome way?
    [04/05/20 18:45] Chewett:I think it is an idea that may have been needed once, but probably not now
    [04/05/20 18:45] Aia:Chewett, may I digress? Steno, I believe, were in fact of Lorerootian heritage.
    [04/05/20 18:46] Ungod:so I can forget about it
    [04/05/20 18:46] Chewett:Ungod, I think its a reminder for people who maybe dont know how the "RP" in MD works
    [04/05/20 18:46] Chewett:I strongly grasp it, so its useless for me
    [04/05/20 18:46] Chewett:Go ahead Aia
    [04/05/20 18:47] Steno:Agreed. It explains how the game works in many ways, also encouraging them to "play" with others
    [04/05/20 18:47] Aia:I should like to return to the topic at hand, but if one reads of the note I did place in his personal log, one may consider that he may indeed be a dual-citizen.
    [04/05/20 18:47] Ungod:it desont explain anything, in fact it\'s confusing, because the reality that created it has disappeared
    [04/05/20 18:48] Aia:I do bring this up as a matter of example rather than of conflict...
    [04/05/20 18:48] Ungod:well, Juba was also Lorerootian
    [04/05/20 18:48] Steno: (My logs! I wish I somehow got a notification when my logs were edited)
    [04/05/20 18:49] Aia:but surely the King of Marind\'s Bell and the Queen of Loreroot would consider grounds for a custody battle.
    [04/05/20 18:49] Steno:Lintara and I met and held a little ceremony where she pardoned me for my abadonment.
    [04/05/20 18:49] Ungod:but I wdouln\'t like to think of MB as a desolate land where some lorerrootians settled
    [04/05/20 18:49] Chewett:The Queen of Loreroot already does not favour me Aia, I fear this will cause more issues!
    [04/05/20 18:49] Steno:She failed to mention whether or not I was actually a planted spy in Ma\'Beast however.
    [04/05/20 18:49] Aia:Ah, do forgive me for digression, then; it is resolved.
    [04/05/20 18:49] MaGoHi:WAR
    [04/05/20 18:49] MaGoHi:WAR
    [04/05/20 18:49] MaGoHi:WAR
    [04/05/20 18:49] Steno:WAR?
    [04/05/20 18:49] Lazarus:Besides the "King of" and "Queen of", is "Demon of" also considered land leaders/monarchs?
    [04/05/20 18:50] Ungod:Mago got bored of WORDS
    [04/05/20 18:50] Steno:GAteway Island hereby declares war?
    [04/05/20 18:50] Aelis: (lunch time, brb)
    [04/05/20 18:50] MaGoHi:make war not love
    [04/05/20 18:50] Chewett:On what grounds Laz? Murdering them or?
    [04/05/20 18:50] Steno: (yes, check announcements, Mur said so)
    [04/05/20 18:50] Ungod:makes sense
    [04/05/20 18:50] MaGoHi:or however that sentence goes
    [04/05/20 18:50] Chewett:In terms of considering them monarches, Demon is one of them yes
    [04/05/20 18:50] Lazarus:I wanted to know the titles of land leaders
    [04/05/20 18:50] Lazarus:I see
    [04/05/20 18:51] Chewett:King Queen, Demon I believe. Check dst\'s as well for whatever her\'s is
    [04/05/20 18:51] Steno: [Ann. 3906]
    [04/05/20 18:51] MaGoHi:grumpy cat of underground
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