@Mur I was not asking because I didn`t know where the phrase came from, I´m totally aware of it and all the theories behind it. These are theories for everyone as long as you turn them into real knowledge. With the definition of knowledge I gave in my first post I wanted to show that everything we are trying to talk about here in this topic is not knowledge, not our own at least. And everything we take from others, their (real) knowledge, means we have to believe them. So we are believers and followers of their knowledge. I always thought of you as an non-believer and a true seeker ... th