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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Sharazhad in Citizenship and kings   
    I knew that when I was about to go to bed, that I should've continued the line of thought that started with 'but I haven't heard from Jester about this yet', but hey, this is the internet, so go ahead pip .

    Besides that, you are doing the exact same thing on your last part; assuming that the link between the Tribunal and Necrovion, simply because Mur said so, somehow validates him leaving as a citizen and becoming one of another land. Seeing as how this is the internet, I will ignore your 'something to ponder' and 'even if my memory is wrong'.
    I will ignore it, because that is how internet arguments go.

    Seriously, Granos said it before, why would I have to repeat it again pip?
    Does every post have to end with, 'Let's hear from Jester first', just so that we can all be certain that no one overlooked this fundamentally important thing?
    C'mon, I don't want to go offtopic and I usually only want to write /new/ things on a topic. Well, I say usually, but annoying you is funny too.

    So let me please use this opportunity to end with the words; 'But let's hear from Jester first.'

    *Cough*
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    Metal Bunny reacted to Pipstickz in Citizenship and kings   
    [quote name='Metal Bunny' timestamp='1310774224' post='88025']
    What Jester is doing however, by becoming a citizen of another country first, he is showing the 'wrong' kind of priority or preference, as to what 'should be expected' of a monarch.
    As Firs stated earlier, in this scenario it becomes quite likely that conflicts of interest can show up quite quickly; is Jester a vassal, since he must obey the laws of another land, making all other Necrovions vassals as well?
    [/quote]
    First off, saying he "shows the wrong priority" is assuming his priority, is that really fair? I can say Firs shows priority on drawing attention away from Loreroot's screw-ups, rather than trying to fix them, by making this topic, but that's unfair to him, because I don't KNOW his priorities, and he hasn't openly stated them (not saying there are screw-ups, just making an example).

    Secondly, do YOU see some Tribunal laws that I don't? Because I AM a citizen, I think you should direct me to them as soon as possible.

    Thirdly, the Tribunal may have a "king" of sorts, who also happens to be the only one who could literally force Jester to leave the alliance (other than myself, I suppose, because I am loyalty leader), so do you not think he would have shown some interest in this issue? This is, of course, assuming he's noticed it.

    Also sort of side-note, I do believe Mur has mentioned a connection between the Tribunal and Necrovion, has he not? Something to ponder for those who care, even if my memory's wrong.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from dst in Citizenship and kings   
    I don't see the problem here on the side of Firs' side, simply because joining an alliance is possible, without formally joining the alliance.
    Indyra for instance, holds a noteworthy position inside the GG alliance, even though she is the head of the guild.
    In this sense, being the head of a guild, and not being in the GG alliance and then delegating tasks to the other guild members, shows her priorities, but also her preferences, both of which are highly compatible.
    She is guild leader first, then a warrior part of the GG alliance. Only when a conflict of interest would arise, would she choose for the guild, but since this will most likely not happen in the short and mid term future, it delivers us no headaches.

    Now, there is always the possibility that Jester or the alliance never contemplated that people could still be part of an alliance, while formally not being so.
    But since the bonus from the alliance in stats, alliance chat and alliance leader jump and alliance invite, are things that are not at all that very important, it should be a simple possibility.
    The more important things, such as access to alliance forum and thus inclusion to, oh I don't know, everything the alliance is about, are not dependent upon actually being part of the alliance in the first place.

    Another example, I help protect bob and have access to the forum section for bob, but I don't want to join Bob's alliance, simply because I wish to show that my priority and preference lies with GG first and then with bob. However, it is a wonderful combination and I see no conflict of interest arising.

    What Jester is doing however, by becoming a citizen of another country first, he is showing the 'wrong' kind of priority or preference, as to what 'should be expected' of a monarch.
    As Firs stated earlier, in this scenario it becomes quite likely that conflicts of interest can show up quite quickly; is Jester a vassal, since he must obey the laws of another land, making all other Necrovions vassals as well?

    Then again, I haven't heard from Jester yet, so maybe he didn't realize that you can be part of an alliance, while formally not actually joining them.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Pipstickz in Citizenship and kings   
    I don't see the problem here on the side of Firs' side, simply because joining an alliance is possible, without formally joining the alliance.
    Indyra for instance, holds a noteworthy position inside the GG alliance, even though she is the head of the guild.
    In this sense, being the head of a guild, and not being in the GG alliance and then delegating tasks to the other guild members, shows her priorities, but also her preferences, both of which are highly compatible.
    She is guild leader first, then a warrior part of the GG alliance. Only when a conflict of interest would arise, would she choose for the guild, but since this will most likely not happen in the short and mid term future, it delivers us no headaches.

    Now, there is always the possibility that Jester or the alliance never contemplated that people could still be part of an alliance, while formally not being so.
    But since the bonus from the alliance in stats, alliance chat and alliance leader jump and alliance invite, are things that are not at all that very important, it should be a simple possibility.
    The more important things, such as access to alliance forum and thus inclusion to, oh I don't know, everything the alliance is about, are not dependent upon actually being part of the alliance in the first place.

    Another example, I help protect bob and have access to the forum section for bob, but I don't want to join Bob's alliance, simply because I wish to show that my priority and preference lies with GG first and then with bob. However, it is a wonderful combination and I see no conflict of interest arising.

    What Jester is doing however, by becoming a citizen of another country first, he is showing the 'wrong' kind of priority or preference, as to what 'should be expected' of a monarch.
    As Firs stated earlier, in this scenario it becomes quite likely that conflicts of interest can show up quite quickly; is Jester a vassal, since he must obey the laws of another land, making all other Necrovions vassals as well?

    Then again, I haven't heard from Jester yet, so maybe he didn't realize that you can be part of an alliance, while formally not actually joining them.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Watcher in Citizenship and kings   
    I don't see the problem here on the side of Firs' side, simply because joining an alliance is possible, without formally joining the alliance.
    Indyra for instance, holds a noteworthy position inside the GG alliance, even though she is the head of the guild.
    In this sense, being the head of a guild, and not being in the GG alliance and then delegating tasks to the other guild members, shows her priorities, but also her preferences, both of which are highly compatible.
    She is guild leader first, then a warrior part of the GG alliance. Only when a conflict of interest would arise, would she choose for the guild, but since this will most likely not happen in the short and mid term future, it delivers us no headaches.

    Now, there is always the possibility that Jester or the alliance never contemplated that people could still be part of an alliance, while formally not being so.
    But since the bonus from the alliance in stats, alliance chat and alliance leader jump and alliance invite, are things that are not at all that very important, it should be a simple possibility.
    The more important things, such as access to alliance forum and thus inclusion to, oh I don't know, everything the alliance is about, are not dependent upon actually being part of the alliance in the first place.

    Another example, I help protect bob and have access to the forum section for bob, but I don't want to join Bob's alliance, simply because I wish to show that my priority and preference lies with GG first and then with bob. However, it is a wonderful combination and I see no conflict of interest arising.

    What Jester is doing however, by becoming a citizen of another country first, he is showing the 'wrong' kind of priority or preference, as to what 'should be expected' of a monarch.
    As Firs stated earlier, in this scenario it becomes quite likely that conflicts of interest can show up quite quickly; is Jester a vassal, since he must obey the laws of another land, making all other Necrovions vassals as well?

    Then again, I haven't heard from Jester yet, so maybe he didn't realize that you can be part of an alliance, while formally not actually joining them.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Phantom Orchid in Citizenship and kings   
    I don't see the problem here on the side of Firs' side, simply because joining an alliance is possible, without formally joining the alliance.
    Indyra for instance, holds a noteworthy position inside the GG alliance, even though she is the head of the guild.
    In this sense, being the head of a guild, and not being in the GG alliance and then delegating tasks to the other guild members, shows her priorities, but also her preferences, both of which are highly compatible.
    She is guild leader first, then a warrior part of the GG alliance. Only when a conflict of interest would arise, would she choose for the guild, but since this will most likely not happen in the short and mid term future, it delivers us no headaches.

    Now, there is always the possibility that Jester or the alliance never contemplated that people could still be part of an alliance, while formally not being so.
    But since the bonus from the alliance in stats, alliance chat and alliance leader jump and alliance invite, are things that are not at all that very important, it should be a simple possibility.
    The more important things, such as access to alliance forum and thus inclusion to, oh I don't know, everything the alliance is about, are not dependent upon actually being part of the alliance in the first place.

    Another example, I help protect bob and have access to the forum section for bob, but I don't want to join Bob's alliance, simply because I wish to show that my priority and preference lies with GG first and then with bob. However, it is a wonderful combination and I see no conflict of interest arising.

    What Jester is doing however, by becoming a citizen of another country first, he is showing the 'wrong' kind of priority or preference, as to what 'should be expected' of a monarch.
    As Firs stated earlier, in this scenario it becomes quite likely that conflicts of interest can show up quite quickly; is Jester a vassal, since he must obey the laws of another land, making all other Necrovions vassals as well?

    Then again, I haven't heard from Jester yet, so maybe he didn't realize that you can be part of an alliance, while formally not actually joining them.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Watcher in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Mmmh, you are right in those cases, so I'll try my best to explain a bit.
    For one, achieving Monarchy is not enough, I realize that, however, the difference is that Handy Pockets was elected. An election requires far more effort, than simply being born into a dynasty. Feel free to dispute this.

    As for Indyra, Windy and Sagewoman, I have seen that, besides what they have done, is that they helped newbies. While one may argue that W&S didn't do much, they were also influential in the way Loreroot's government behaved, as well as being old in comparison to the others up there. Now, I don't count age as a real argument, however, their age, unlike Vilinec, has been put, consistently to good use, through the help of newbies (throughout all of their days, which is a lot.)

    Now, Indyra is almost constantly in the paper cabin, so I have added that to her alliance achievements. Besides that, I also took into account that her guild is the first of its kind, which, while not necessarily as special as the 'first alliance', it still counts for something. Lastly, if Indyra had not been selected as the leader of the guild, she would have been chosen for a higher postion in the GG alliance, which would force us to change the name of the 'triumvirate'.. what's it called when it's 4? Regardless, unlike some other governments or guilds, she is clearly visible and does influence the realm.


    As I said in my previous post, I was in pure doubt about Innocence, Mya and Fyrd.
    The way you put it, I have begun re-doubting the already shaky positions of Mya and Fyrd. I believe I had underestimated Mya's position, because her position in the government of Loreroot, as well as when helping newbies, should put her in the same position as Indyra.
    I do believe I have a bit of bias towards Loreroot, though I have no real reason as to why.
    So, yay, I think I'll put Mya on the legends list. (I did say it was a coinflip before.)

    The same goes for Fyrd, he also has been helping newbies, I just haven't seen it a lot of times, giving me a bias to correct for.
    So yay too?

    As for Innocence, (I'm not certain if you read what I wrote correctly, because the way you end makes it sound as if I had put Innocence in the legendary category), I must argue against your reasoning, because while she (he?) may have done valuable things, her (his?) isolation impedes him severely in the sense that all his other achievements are lessened as a result as well.
    In this sense, the only bias I do have is against his isolation, but I believe that this bias is justified and as such he is still in the toss-up=not legendary (yet) category.

    In contrast, all others do freely and willingly mingle and influence the realm on a nigh daily basis, as far as I know, Innocence has consistently done the opposite to his detriment.
    Again, isolation can be a good thing, you just have to do it properly, and so far I have not seen a really good example of how isolation can lead to a legend. (with perhaps the exception of Z, but one can argue that the PoL is a busy crossroad and as such, isn't really isolation.)
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Watcher in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Of course the way I judge them is flawed, as it is an entirely subjective judgment, which is why I ask people to argue with me.
    However, simply saying that it is flawed doesn't really help a lot, now when you say that she does help newbies a lot, then I would normally argue against that, as I have seen him be quite offstandish and isolationist and I concluded that such behaviour impedes realm-influencing acts.
    But it does seem that (not just you), others say that she has been helping people out.

    And, yes, it may seem that I put up a higher emphasis on helping out newbs, however, it is not actually the case.
    I argue that simply because we were having a discussion about it, that it seemed to you that it were the case, if I truly did put a higher emphasis on it, then surely, I would've put that in with the 2 previous, more general arguments.
    Besides that, I believe that helping out newbs is integral to the 'influencing the realm' part and that while the latter may not include the earlier, the opposite is certainly true.

    Lastly, the cases we were talking about, were right on the 'I'm doubting so much, it may as well be a coinflip' middle, as such, helping newbies becomes marginally more important.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Granos in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Of course the way I judge them is flawed, as it is an entirely subjective judgment, which is why I ask people to argue with me.
    However, simply saying that it is flawed doesn't really help a lot, now when you say that she does help newbies a lot, then I would normally argue against that, as I have seen him be quite offstandish and isolationist and I concluded that such behaviour impedes realm-influencing acts.
    But it does seem that (not just you), others say that she has been helping people out.

    And, yes, it may seem that I put up a higher emphasis on helping out newbs, however, it is not actually the case.
    I argue that simply because we were having a discussion about it, that it seemed to you that it were the case, if I truly did put a higher emphasis on it, then surely, I would've put that in with the 2 previous, more general arguments.
    Besides that, I believe that helping out newbs is integral to the 'influencing the realm' part and that while the latter may not include the earlier, the opposite is certainly true.

    Lastly, the cases we were talking about, were right on the 'I'm doubting so much, it may as well be a coinflip' middle, as such, helping newbies becomes marginally more important.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Granos in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Mmmh, you are right in those cases, so I'll try my best to explain a bit.
    For one, achieving Monarchy is not enough, I realize that, however, the difference is that Handy Pockets was elected. An election requires far more effort, than simply being born into a dynasty. Feel free to dispute this.

    As for Indyra, Windy and Sagewoman, I have seen that, besides what they have done, is that they helped newbies. While one may argue that W&S didn't do much, they were also influential in the way Loreroot's government behaved, as well as being old in comparison to the others up there. Now, I don't count age as a real argument, however, their age, unlike Vilinec, has been put, consistently to good use, through the help of newbies (throughout all of their days, which is a lot.)

    Now, Indyra is almost constantly in the paper cabin, so I have added that to her alliance achievements. Besides that, I also took into account that her guild is the first of its kind, which, while not necessarily as special as the 'first alliance', it still counts for something. Lastly, if Indyra had not been selected as the leader of the guild, she would have been chosen for a higher postion in the GG alliance, which would force us to change the name of the 'triumvirate'.. what's it called when it's 4? Regardless, unlike some other governments or guilds, she is clearly visible and does influence the realm.


    As I said in my previous post, I was in pure doubt about Innocence, Mya and Fyrd.
    The way you put it, I have begun re-doubting the already shaky positions of Mya and Fyrd. I believe I had underestimated Mya's position, because her position in the government of Loreroot, as well as when helping newbies, should put her in the same position as Indyra.
    I do believe I have a bit of bias towards Loreroot, though I have no real reason as to why.
    So, yay, I think I'll put Mya on the legends list. (I did say it was a coinflip before.)

    The same goes for Fyrd, he also has been helping newbies, I just haven't seen it a lot of times, giving me a bias to correct for.
    So yay too?

    As for Innocence, (I'm not certain if you read what I wrote correctly, because the way you end makes it sound as if I had put Innocence in the legendary category), I must argue against your reasoning, because while she (he?) may have done valuable things, her (his?) isolation impedes him severely in the sense that all his other achievements are lessened as a result as well.
    In this sense, the only bias I do have is against his isolation, but I believe that this bias is justified and as such he is still in the toss-up=not legendary (yet) category.

    In contrast, all others do freely and willingly mingle and influence the realm on a nigh daily basis, as far as I know, Innocence has consistently done the opposite to his detriment.
    Again, isolation can be a good thing, you just have to do it properly, and so far I have not seen a really good example of how isolation can lead to a legend. (with perhaps the exception of Z, but one can argue that the PoL is a busy crossroad and as such, isn't really isolation.)
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Jubaris in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Mmmh, you are right in those cases, so I'll try my best to explain a bit.
    For one, achieving Monarchy is not enough, I realize that, however, the difference is that Handy Pockets was elected. An election requires far more effort, than simply being born into a dynasty. Feel free to dispute this.

    As for Indyra, Windy and Sagewoman, I have seen that, besides what they have done, is that they helped newbies. While one may argue that W&S didn't do much, they were also influential in the way Loreroot's government behaved, as well as being old in comparison to the others up there. Now, I don't count age as a real argument, however, their age, unlike Vilinec, has been put, consistently to good use, through the help of newbies (throughout all of their days, which is a lot.)

    Now, Indyra is almost constantly in the paper cabin, so I have added that to her alliance achievements. Besides that, I also took into account that her guild is the first of its kind, which, while not necessarily as special as the 'first alliance', it still counts for something. Lastly, if Indyra had not been selected as the leader of the guild, she would have been chosen for a higher postion in the GG alliance, which would force us to change the name of the 'triumvirate'.. what's it called when it's 4? Regardless, unlike some other governments or guilds, she is clearly visible and does influence the realm.


    As I said in my previous post, I was in pure doubt about Innocence, Mya and Fyrd.
    The way you put it, I have begun re-doubting the already shaky positions of Mya and Fyrd. I believe I had underestimated Mya's position, because her position in the government of Loreroot, as well as when helping newbies, should put her in the same position as Indyra.
    I do believe I have a bit of bias towards Loreroot, though I have no real reason as to why.
    So, yay, I think I'll put Mya on the legends list. (I did say it was a coinflip before.)

    The same goes for Fyrd, he also has been helping newbies, I just haven't seen it a lot of times, giving me a bias to correct for.
    So yay too?

    As for Innocence, (I'm not certain if you read what I wrote correctly, because the way you end makes it sound as if I had put Innocence in the legendary category), I must argue against your reasoning, because while she (he?) may have done valuable things, her (his?) isolation impedes him severely in the sense that all his other achievements are lessened as a result as well.
    In this sense, the only bias I do have is against his isolation, but I believe that this bias is justified and as such he is still in the toss-up=not legendary (yet) category.

    In contrast, all others do freely and willingly mingle and influence the realm on a nigh daily basis, as far as I know, Innocence has consistently done the opposite to his detriment.
    Again, isolation can be a good thing, you just have to do it properly, and so far I have not seen a really good example of how isolation can lead to a legend. (with perhaps the exception of Z, but one can argue that the PoL is a busy crossroad and as such, isn't really isolation.)
  12. Upvote
    Metal Bunny got a reaction from dst in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Mmmh, you are right in those cases, so I'll try my best to explain a bit.
    For one, achieving Monarchy is not enough, I realize that, however, the difference is that Handy Pockets was elected. An election requires far more effort, than simply being born into a dynasty. Feel free to dispute this.

    As for Indyra, Windy and Sagewoman, I have seen that, besides what they have done, is that they helped newbies. While one may argue that W&S didn't do much, they were also influential in the way Loreroot's government behaved, as well as being old in comparison to the others up there. Now, I don't count age as a real argument, however, their age, unlike Vilinec, has been put, consistently to good use, through the help of newbies (throughout all of their days, which is a lot.)

    Now, Indyra is almost constantly in the paper cabin, so I have added that to her alliance achievements. Besides that, I also took into account that her guild is the first of its kind, which, while not necessarily as special as the 'first alliance', it still counts for something. Lastly, if Indyra had not been selected as the leader of the guild, she would have been chosen for a higher postion in the GG alliance, which would force us to change the name of the 'triumvirate'.. what's it called when it's 4? Regardless, unlike some other governments or guilds, she is clearly visible and does influence the realm.


    As I said in my previous post, I was in pure doubt about Innocence, Mya and Fyrd.
    The way you put it, I have begun re-doubting the already shaky positions of Mya and Fyrd. I believe I had underestimated Mya's position, because her position in the government of Loreroot, as well as when helping newbies, should put her in the same position as Indyra.
    I do believe I have a bit of bias towards Loreroot, though I have no real reason as to why.
    So, yay, I think I'll put Mya on the legends list. (I did say it was a coinflip before.)

    The same goes for Fyrd, he also has been helping newbies, I just haven't seen it a lot of times, giving me a bias to correct for.
    So yay too?

    As for Innocence, (I'm not certain if you read what I wrote correctly, because the way you end makes it sound as if I had put Innocence in the legendary category), I must argue against your reasoning, because while she (he?) may have done valuable things, her (his?) isolation impedes him severely in the sense that all his other achievements are lessened as a result as well.
    In this sense, the only bias I do have is against his isolation, but I believe that this bias is justified and as such he is still in the toss-up=not legendary (yet) category.

    In contrast, all others do freely and willingly mingle and influence the realm on a nigh daily basis, as far as I know, Innocence has consistently done the opposite to his detriment.
    Again, isolation can be a good thing, you just have to do it properly, and so far I have not seen a really good example of how isolation can lead to a legend. (with perhaps the exception of Z, but one can argue that the PoL is a busy crossroad and as such, isn't really isolation.)
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Jubaris in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Yeah, I changed the time (and forgot that the legends part is actually on the day before) and the trivia deathmatch will start at [b]19:00 server time[/b], which should be good enough for everyone in most timezones.


    Glor, Morrel, Innocence, Fyrd, Blackthorn, Indyra, Handy Pockets, Ivorak, Laphers, BFH, Rumi, Curiose, Malaikat Mut, Princ Rhaegar, Eon, Fenrir Greycloth, Mcvitie, Mya Celestia, Windy, Sagewoman, Tengri, are the ones being judged.

    The next were rejected: Laphers, Rumi, Malaikat Mut, Fenrir Greycloth, Mcvitie.

    The following I am highly doubting and require more arguments to be listed as Legendary: Morrel, Blackthorn, Ivorak, BFH, Princ Rhaegar, Eon, Curiose, Tengri

    The following I have the highest difficulty of judging and at the moment of me writing it, it may as well be a coinflip (and because a coinflip is arbitrary, my auto-judgment is no), so please strengthen or weaken the cases for: Innocence, Fyrd, Mya Celestia.

    The following have (tentatively) been accepted, unless serious cases are made against them: Indyra, Handy Pockets, Windy, Sagewoman. (h-uh, all women).


    If you require reasoning, ask and I shall post them here.
    In the meanwhile, let me give you some arguments that are applicable to most of the people as to why they haven't been accepted yet.

    1: Limitation of influence; While it is true that some, if not many of the names listed above, are good friends, wonderful teachers or influential players, it is the point of some versus many that sparks contention. This spark is ignited due to the fact that some, if not many, players in MD, simply never met with, interacted with, or were influenced by some of the players.
    And it is not the burden of the newbie to get to know them, it is the burden of the potential legendary player, to influence them in a meaningful way, if they truly wish to be legendary.
    In a more social context, this argument against them can simply be said by saying that it is [b]//easy//[/b] to remain within a single social group, to stay in locations that are familiar and in such a way, do not require great effort or exertion in their part to be seen as 'great' or 'legendary' by people who most likely, would have been loyal to them regardless, as they are friends.
    No, such isolation is not to be condoned, as my reasoning ultimately is that a legendary player of Magicduel, is not just legendary in Loreroot, Necrovion, MDA, or any other land within the realm. No, a legendary player of Magicduel [b]//has to be legendary within all of the realm//[/b], not withstanding newlings, adversaries or the lone rebel.

    Speaking in analogy: You can be the almighty ruler of a molehill, but the 23rd in command of the empire of a chain of mountains is still more important. (I could make jokes, but that's just mean )

    Don't mistake me, isolation can make for a wonderful argument for a legendary status. But, as you may have noticed, there is an inherent weakness in isolation, namely; there is a greater chance that no one will be there to see or understand the 'greatness of your isolation'.

    2: Unfulfilled potential; There are players in the list who have been nominated for things they either recently started or things that were magnificent in themselves, but very short lived, or things that were great as well, but simply failed.
    The thing they all have in common is simple; unfulfilled potential. Simply thinking or hoping that a player's new project will be meaningful, wonderful and influential, is [b]not enough[/b]. It must have been done long enough to actually warrant such praises.
    Players that have done acts that were indeed legendary, such as the postman, Tengri, the sentinel, but ultimately so shortlived, that even in the [b]mid-term[/b], their influence is easily forgotten, by all but the players who were directly involved, were scrapped off the list.
    As for players that tried something, but failed, I cannot do anything but resolutely deny them. [b]Failure[/b] is not and shall not ever be a pre-condition or argument for being 'Legendary', unless your goal was to fail all around and 'fail your way up'.

    Speaking in analogy: A single act of courage and skill may make you a hero or worthy adversary, but it is not the battle you must win, it is the war.



    Also, Udgard, in case Mur doesn't sponsor a trophy, how much would such an item cost?
  14. Upvote
    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Granos in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Yeah, I changed the time (and forgot that the legends part is actually on the day before) and the trivia deathmatch will start at [b]19:00 server time[/b], which should be good enough for everyone in most timezones.


    Glor, Morrel, Innocence, Fyrd, Blackthorn, Indyra, Handy Pockets, Ivorak, Laphers, BFH, Rumi, Curiose, Malaikat Mut, Princ Rhaegar, Eon, Fenrir Greycloth, Mcvitie, Mya Celestia, Windy, Sagewoman, Tengri, are the ones being judged.

    The next were rejected: Laphers, Rumi, Malaikat Mut, Fenrir Greycloth, Mcvitie.

    The following I am highly doubting and require more arguments to be listed as Legendary: Morrel, Blackthorn, Ivorak, BFH, Princ Rhaegar, Eon, Curiose, Tengri

    The following I have the highest difficulty of judging and at the moment of me writing it, it may as well be a coinflip (and because a coinflip is arbitrary, my auto-judgment is no), so please strengthen or weaken the cases for: Innocence, Fyrd, Mya Celestia.

    The following have (tentatively) been accepted, unless serious cases are made against them: Indyra, Handy Pockets, Windy, Sagewoman. (h-uh, all women).


    If you require reasoning, ask and I shall post them here.
    In the meanwhile, let me give you some arguments that are applicable to most of the people as to why they haven't been accepted yet.

    1: Limitation of influence; While it is true that some, if not many of the names listed above, are good friends, wonderful teachers or influential players, it is the point of some versus many that sparks contention. This spark is ignited due to the fact that some, if not many, players in MD, simply never met with, interacted with, or were influenced by some of the players.
    And it is not the burden of the newbie to get to know them, it is the burden of the potential legendary player, to influence them in a meaningful way, if they truly wish to be legendary.
    In a more social context, this argument against them can simply be said by saying that it is [b]//easy//[/b] to remain within a single social group, to stay in locations that are familiar and in such a way, do not require great effort or exertion in their part to be seen as 'great' or 'legendary' by people who most likely, would have been loyal to them regardless, as they are friends.
    No, such isolation is not to be condoned, as my reasoning ultimately is that a legendary player of Magicduel, is not just legendary in Loreroot, Necrovion, MDA, or any other land within the realm. No, a legendary player of Magicduel [b]//has to be legendary within all of the realm//[/b], not withstanding newlings, adversaries or the lone rebel.

    Speaking in analogy: You can be the almighty ruler of a molehill, but the 23rd in command of the empire of a chain of mountains is still more important. (I could make jokes, but that's just mean )

    Don't mistake me, isolation can make for a wonderful argument for a legendary status. But, as you may have noticed, there is an inherent weakness in isolation, namely; there is a greater chance that no one will be there to see or understand the 'greatness of your isolation'.

    2: Unfulfilled potential; There are players in the list who have been nominated for things they either recently started or things that were magnificent in themselves, but very short lived, or things that were great as well, but simply failed.
    The thing they all have in common is simple; unfulfilled potential. Simply thinking or hoping that a player's new project will be meaningful, wonderful and influential, is [b]not enough[/b]. It must have been done long enough to actually warrant such praises.
    Players that have done acts that were indeed legendary, such as the postman, Tengri, the sentinel, but ultimately so shortlived, that even in the [b]mid-term[/b], their influence is easily forgotten, by all but the players who were directly involved, were scrapped off the list.
    As for players that tried something, but failed, I cannot do anything but resolutely deny them. [b]Failure[/b] is not and shall not ever be a pre-condition or argument for being 'Legendary', unless your goal was to fail all around and 'fail your way up'.

    Speaking in analogy: A single act of courage and skill may make you a hero or worthy adversary, but it is not the battle you must win, it is the war.



    Also, Udgard, in case Mur doesn't sponsor a trophy, how much would such an item cost?
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Watcher in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Last year Indyra suggested the idea of a festival of war.
    I saw its brilliance and organized the first edition of the festival with helpers.
    It had trivia, war games, war stories as well as a day devoted to the legends of the game.

    It had a great turnout, lots of attention, it was a great learning experience (coughclichecough), the prizes were really good and it had gathered a lot of positive attention.

    I feel like organizing another one at roughly the same date (which roughly equals when I no longer have exams, just like last year )
    I'm going to change the wargame, or maybe just remove it completely (it was the only thing I didn't like about the festival from last year), suggestions are welcome.
    I will expand the trivia and make it better (because all the info is on the md archives site anyway).

    And

    I will accept new entries into the 'legend' section.
    My acceptance of a player being 'legendary' is completely my own opinion and arbitrary, but if you feel like it, try and convince me (and I have been watching you...).

    The rest will mostly be the same (time, location, etc (I didn't write them down here, because I was too lazy to find last year's topic)), unless you have other, good, suggestions.
    Best I can remember, is that it was late server time, meaning that for some it starts on the 25th and ends on the 30th.

    I will also accept donations from other people so that they can be used as a reward in the festival.
    I will also accept donations for being an awesome guy.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Watcher in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Alright, since I haven't heard any oppose this, I'll postpone the festival, so that it starts on the 29th of June and ends on the 4th of July. (Or the 30th and 5th respectively for the ones who live in different time zones).

    Could a mod change the title?

    Also, I haven't seen any posts regarding new legends. If you were wondering who is already regarded as a 'legend', go visit md-archives.com.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Nimrodel in Festival of War and Remembrance 29th of June to 4th of July   
    Alright, since I haven't heard any oppose this, I'll postpone the festival, so that it starts on the 29th of June and ends on the 4th of July. (Or the 30th and 5th respectively for the ones who live in different time zones).

    Could a mod change the title?

    Also, I haven't seen any posts regarding new legends. If you were wondering who is already regarded as a 'legend', go visit md-archives.com.
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    Metal Bunny reacted to Blackwoodforest in off to go now   
    [quote name='Grido' timestamp='1308154329' post='86279']
    Why do you want your account deleted? Why not just not use it?
    [/quote]

    Because I want it that way. It is feed with my data and my personal experience, i just want to have it deleted. So, no deletion even it the account user wants it to be done? Fits perfect into the image I have from MD.

    Then seal my account or whatever into all eternity.
    Delete my forum account.

    And STOP asking me If I will give you my stuff for free!

    Oh yes, pretty please.
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from apophys in What annoys me in MD   
    Would it be considered adding fuel to the fire, if I, in a very 'ironic' or 'negatively criticising' manner of speaking, were to say that this kind of topic has been brought up a couple of times before?

    Or would that be some kind of meta-meta comment? (with this line clearly transcending the theoretical boundary of 2 meta's and into the triple metasphere? To boldly go where none has gone before?)
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    Metal Bunny reacted to Sparrhawk in What annoys me in MD   
    I have been thinking of replying to this since it was posted, I am not active in game any longer due to personal reasons though I do check in from time to time and try and keep track of what is going on.

    My perception of what Sharpwind has said rings pretty true in my experiences playing this game. I enjoyed playing for quite some time I currently have 683 days though it is more or less around the 550 mark when I stopped trying to play the game.

    I have mixed feelings about my time in MD some are great some not so much. When I first started the game I didnt know alot I was finally helped and started understanding what the game was about. I had quite a few gripes with the game about the elites of which I never belonged with. I was told pretty early on that the easiest way to get "shiny" things was to make friends with certain people I personally really didnt want to do that or believe it at the time though later in experience it did feel like it was the case. Now I dont pretend I was a fantastic player role play wise but I did try. I put effort into trying to build a persona and to some extent I think it was a success, the issue I always had on that regard is that I had always thought one earned a tag with or without a description through having a well known role that was generally accepted in the wider community, I dont think I ever really obtained that level. But there are those who gained them during my time for seemingly no apparant reason, I had always thought they were supposed to be special and highly regulated but honestly some of them are just a sad joke and I always felt like a bit of a slap in the face for people who actually tried and wanted some level of validation.

    There is alot of rudeness in the game which is appalling sometimes. During the Necrovion, Golemus war for After all the battling the whole land weapon thing happened. Everyone in the area who tried to follow (in RP) was teleported there except for myself. Sitting there being the only one left out does seem to make you feel a bit retarted in even trying, I did go to the location later out of my own curiosity by using the jump to leader function but still it did seem a bit sad to me personally anyway its not like there where others in my boat.

    There is a huge sense in the game of only the established are worth taking time for, the people I knew that I tried to get into the game all left quite early on for this reason. There is an overwhelming sense of politics in the game that takes up a very large part of it, its bad to be different but different is what is asked for.

    I dont regret my time playing the people I met kept me going for so long I think. There are some really great people. The only reason I post this is it feels like whenever someone says something unpopular everyone is up in arms defending the status quo and from my assumption of what Sharpwind has said there are many many people who feel like this just not every one has the courage to come out and agree or state it for themselves.

    To Sharpwind dont let it get you down try and find your own corner of fun if you cant find something else to do MD will stay the same.

    To everyone else I have little doubt you will tear my post apart and try and make me look like a fool or a greedy person and I couldnt care less this is all my personal experience and opinions if you want to try take the time to twist my words then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps I will come back into the game actively one day I am not sure I cant rule it out but I do not see it happening anytime soon.

    And finally sorry for the long rant but well its good to air it out no

    =D
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Muratus del Mur in What annoys me in MD   
    Would it be considered adding fuel to the fire, if I, in a very 'ironic' or 'negatively criticising' manner of speaking, were to say that this kind of topic has been brought up a couple of times before?

    Or would that be some kind of meta-meta comment? (with this line clearly transcending the theoretical boundary of 2 meta's and into the triple metasphere? To boldly go where none has gone before?)
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    Metal Bunny reacted to Sharpwind in What annoys me in MD   
    If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
    because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
    He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

    I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

    It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

    That's how I feel at least...
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Sephirah Caelum in What annoys me in MD   
    Would it be considered adding fuel to the fire, if I, in a very 'ironic' or 'negatively criticising' manner of speaking, were to say that this kind of topic has been brought up a couple of times before?

    Or would that be some kind of meta-meta comment? (with this line clearly transcending the theoretical boundary of 2 meta's and into the triple metasphere? To boldly go where none has gone before?)
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from Chewett in What annoys me in MD   
    Would it be considered adding fuel to the fire, if I, in a very 'ironic' or 'negatively criticising' manner of speaking, were to say that this kind of topic has been brought up a couple of times before?

    Or would that be some kind of meta-meta comment? (with this line clearly transcending the theoretical boundary of 2 meta's and into the triple metasphere? To boldly go where none has gone before?)
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    Metal Bunny got a reaction from dst in What annoys me in MD   
    Would it be considered adding fuel to the fire, if I, in a very 'ironic' or 'negatively criticising' manner of speaking, were to say that this kind of topic has been brought up a couple of times before?

    Or would that be some kind of meta-meta comment? (with this line clearly transcending the theoretical boundary of 2 meta's and into the triple metasphere? To boldly go where none has gone before?)
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