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Wodin seeks to make war on the shades. Not far from here he trains an army for this purpose. We attack them on sight, also, trying to improve our access to parts of this world and to improve the abilities of the creatures ttached to us. But no measure of understanding is sought. We encounter one shade who tries to communicate - it gives us a small cube into which we are imprisoned; it seems to carry us to a different version of this place where the spirits of the dead can talk. Marind speaks to us then in a fae carnivale. At no other time do the Shades speak in this realm. We wonder about

Alche's Alley Mysterious Statue-it has a face, one of the few i have seen apart from the two in Loreroot - why is it a mysterious statue?

What about water, when u r in it, u rise and fall with the tidal movements?

Was the answer to the third one

The Necrovion Sentinels decided to fill their last council seat based on problem-solving ability. Thus a series of riddles were devised. The field quickly narrowed to two minds who would compete for the last seat. perrobotillo and Bad Sun Bath bot easily solved each of the riddles presented them. Now as the riddles get harder they spend more time considering their answers, knowing that the only prize for second place is losing. Here are the riddles they have solved so far: Find me in your shadow No matter where you go I'm the first and last In existance, you should know. Banish m

I know I am not very strong, nor have I been playing his game long. But after reading all this about the shades and your impressions of what they are or are not, and what there intents are, I am inclinded to say that they may be, as its so put "mirroring" ..lol don't think thats a word, but for my purposes I will say reflecting what us as players are doing in the MagicDuel world, as each of us know it. I personally think it is a wonderful world full of hope and promise,the only thing that will keep us all from achieving what we want from it is our imaginations and thoughts, whether those be

I said that wrong, I did mean the shades don't stand between us and the Angiens.

meiche, the Angiens do not by any means stand between us and the shades. The Angiens are sort of like the natural enemies of the shades. Humans aren't the overbearing lightness that the shades seek to balance. Those with certain actions can be seen as light, but human nature also applies a balance within themselves, such that some create light, and others create darkness.

Marind caused some unbalance but not enough. If anyone does have info on the shades please PM me. I have taken over Khalazdad for the main time and we need info on shades and their nature. Who knows? You might want to join us and learn more

I am currently stuck in a wooden box(again) because I moved up to mp4. But once I get out I will aid you and the necrovion guard.

After a quiet conversation with Wodin that turned into an angry confrontation, Khalazdad turned to the Shades, joining the Necrovion Guard. He stalks the land now, still barred from Necrovion and full of hatred and hunger for power. He recruits in the places where the disaffected gather in the shadows. Many have commented that he seems... changed...

Yeah, I noticed that too I forgot to mention that the shades are inter-connected..their share their power, and also they share their thoughts (not all the minor details). They also have an interesting hierarchy...I'll try to get more info about it the next time I'll meet the Shade Sentinel

http://magicduel.com/players/.Shade%20Sentinel. He is one strong guy, he needs better creatures though EDIT: Copy and paste the link

1. I met the Shade Sentinel today...very interesting creature. Here is a fragment of our discussion: Venger: a thing cannot exist without the other Shade Sentinel: we are just a result of your tendency to unballance things ...and you will ALL pay for this *BigC*: u will find it very difficult to make us "pay"... Venger: I agree...we will pay for our decisions Venger: but we will not let you conquer us Venger: if it's not too late, we should try to balance things Venger: we need to have a set of laws Venger: saying what there should be done to have a balanced existence Venger: and

At the gates today a strange sound was heard. Two or three organ notes played in ascension, echoing down as though in a vast hall or catherdral. There were no other witnesses. I went to the Road of Battles to see if any others heard the sound. They denied it. The meaning is unknown. K - update: now I know the meaning. It was notice that the Shades have offered me an alliance. They want me to "build an army worthy of Necrovion." I don't think they know me very well. I am not tempted to serve them and betray my homelands in this manner. K

I feel like I should point out that the little skull icon is very similar to the other alliances. It's probably just the necro symbol.

Heres a screen of the shade, for those who cant remember it, i took it in one of my many "close" encounters alone. Regards, Braiton

There was more to it. I had some kind of necklace that seemed to link it to the body. Its form seemed to be a blacker black than its surroundings and it had hands of some kind. I don't remember it having a jaw though, it seemed to glow inside its skull, giving off a dead light from its eyes and where its mouth should have been that pulsed as it spoke to us. The thing was strange. This is how I remembered it: Have I forgotten anything?

This is the head of the Shade Sentinel. I don't recall it having a body - perhaps its dead eyes were so hypnotic I merely did not notice. Nonetheless, this is what I recall. Feel free to add, subtract or change if you remember it differently. K

I remember the Knator Commander saying something about Marind's murder; however, I shall refrain from making any spoiling and inaccurate comments. In any case, it did not seem to be the Shades' doing.But what I will say is that the previous war with the Shades was caused by Marind, or at least, that is what I have heard if memory serves.

Ask if they want peace. Live together without war, buy stuff from eachother and things like that. Also ask them why they attacked us (begin of the story) and if they are connected with the murder of Marind.

You will see a similar event in the Legend Teller's stories. The connection is currently not known. K

Why they have skulls. D: I thought they were supposed to be pretty much immaterial and insubstantial, as if made from shadows. I'm disillusioned and repulsed by Necro-shade-world now. I think I'm going for RJ's little people instead. They're pretty cute, like miniatures of what I previously thought shades were like. Let's go to Golemicus next!~

Your argument is vulgar and convincing. Mental note made. What else do people think we need to know from Shades? K

The Ferryman met with the delegation of Shade seekers outside the gate. He confirmed having seen a pillar of darkness and described it as both beautiful and terrifying but, on the subject of evil, demurred. He could not tell us much about Shades except what they themselves had revealed. He said they are reflections of us and could be anywhere. Little else was gained but fellowship was enjoyed. They demurred when asked how to solve her murder and accused us thinking strangely. It is not my intent to defeat the Shades at this time but to determine if they need defeating. At this time th

I attempted to confront Wodin with these findings. Wodin declined to debate his position and accused me of wanting him dead. To exacerbate the poblem, several others wanted to chime in, confusing the scene greatly. My position is only that the Shades are a reflection of us and want what we want; if we want war, then so do they. And if he wants war very badly, he makes them more strongly want war. But if he wants merely to guard the land, then they want to guard the land, also. As a bright light, he is creating stronger Shades but that seems of no consequence if he remains to balance them

A Truth about Necrovion There is no truth, only relative points of view. The following is what I have learned from my adventures in Necrovion. It may not be true to you. I have provided all the evidence on the Forum so you may decide for yourself. The Nature of Necrovion Necrovion is a mirror. It reflects Marind's Bell and the No Man's Lands - and possibly the Archive lands. It does not seem to reflect Golemus or Loreroot but this is undetermined at this time. Now 'mirror' does not mean in the usual sense that everything hree is reflected there in reverse. The outline, the geography,

I'm quite sure BigC was returned to his pit. I was tracking the shade, as was Braiton, and found both him and the mutilated infirm in the Trial of Agony. I told him that his honor was in the negative before following the shade to the Eternal Toiler, where he retreated. I don't think the shades would allow BigC to be saved without interference. I think a rescue party would be a different sort of quest, with an objective contrary to that of respecting the shades' wishes while on their territory in return for knowledge. I, for one, wouldn't want that, although I'm not adverse to helping him.

The adventure is concluded for now. Here are the annals of our journey. After much community effort of offering sacrifices, exhortation, and expenditure of energy, we were transported within Necrovion. We took a moment to regroup as we had been scattered. Some powerful figures joined with us for their own purposes – Jonn, Simply Zero, SmartAlekRJ; we also discovered BigC trapped inside, weakened from his injuries. A bit of exploration led us to a boundary place, a cave linking inner and outer Necrovion. There were no shades, but this seemed a likely place to make contact. We camped and

I have posted a legend in my thread that may be of interest to some.

This is well said. I would make one correction, however: this is no longer my mission alone. Here is a partial list of those who have committed to help that I remember (I know there are many more I was remiss in recording) - please add your name to the list if you also wish to help. *Glaistig* Holy Alucard Braiton GlorDamar Khalazdad Lulu Old One Rand alThor Sage Mc Quincy SaintDane dst emowarrior w0tp Evoker MorganJade reggaeman Sacred Fire eigger La Muerte BrainUpdate Gargant Ledah Khalazdad

instead of baning some one for violating just put them in jail thats what its for right break the law go to jail.some one should think apon this more than me

You wish to have a debate about a subject but do not wish to invite those who would be affected by it the most? Do you not seek to have a balanced perspective? There will be those there who will be anti-dojo, but you choose to exclude those who are pro-dojo and who would have the strongest arguments for the dojo's case? If this occurs has you prescribe, Chewett, it will be little more than a chance for others to bash the dojo and its supporters.

[quote name='Grido' date='28 July 2009 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1248799443' post='38113'] i posted this TWICE in the poll topic on this subject. Ban = Jail, one and the same, when you ban someone they go to jail [/quote] SORRY FOR MY IGNORANCE..... DONT HAVE TO GIVE ME A BAD REP FOR IT.....

Debate,muffins,ideas,opinions,blood.Everything friday night before going out...pefect And like everyone said,Ailith should chair this.Hopefully,she can be there.