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I requested the move of several topics related to research or revealing secret md things to the Tribunal Border Research forum.
These will be locked from now on.
If you wanted to read them but delayed it now is the time to be sorry and smash the keyboard, they just became classified materials out of your reach ..and you almost had them :D

i will include a few people in the group that can access that forum. The selection is purely subjective and personal, based on who do i think it might handle the things discussed there in a way that it will help me conduct my research or bring me useful information in the process.
This is just a fraction of the people that could do it and over time i will keep adding people to it as i see fit.
This is not a group of "those who agree with me", it also has nothing to do with your religious concepts, i appreciate both those that contradict me and those that agree with me, but only depending on the way they do it. If their ego doesnt step over their desire for knowledge, or their beliefs don't blind them from discovering things that might shatter those beliefs, they i will see it and i will add them to that group.

People with a "fixed" mind can't be allowed there, its a simple waste of time for me to repeat myself or to convince others of obvious things..or to hear impressions that bring nothing valuable or trigger no interesting thoughts. It also requires a lot of patience to handle the things there as i tend to write much and that implies a lot of time to read.

Sadly for you, access to the section doesn not imply any benefit within md world, or any special social status..and i will kick you out if you will use this access in any way to pretend more "special" or more "deserving" in md.

This group also implies no affiliation with Tribunal lands, but tribunal lands is the host of the topic, being a dominion of Mur, Mur being the creator of MD, its only the tribunal that can handle an area mixed between MD and RL officialy.


initial people in:
Rendril, Sharazhad, (Zl-eye-f)-nea, Malaikat Maut, Shadowseeker, Roland, Grido, awiiya, Yoshi, Aysun, Laphers, Burns

this are just very few i remembered now, but the list is longer.

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there's one thing I wanted to post last night tho, on connections with Christianity and Alchemy. (you can just move the post there, if it ain't the problem) I was tired, and I decided rather to go to sleep x)

Malaikat Maut said how God DOES have feelings, but on much more complex level than us... And where did you got that, Malaikat?
Mur, you were bragging about scoring points against the Church... but you don't know what are you actually talking about. Listen, I'm an atheist, but it is clear that you never read the bible in your life (as little, I read stories of the bible, 365 stories for Children I believe is the name), yet you are degrading it to the maximum. You must understand it completely to tear it down "with evidence". If you're aiming at the very religion, you should first read Jewish texts, from which Christianity originates, then considering that many ancient Christian texts were lost. The Church as a Church was developed by people who CHOSE to put what they want to put, and the people who follow those rules without question have slight issues :P

Also you mentioned how you would focus on the Catholic Church cause they uphold to their "principles" most and seem the clear representative of Christianity to strike on I guess... Errrrr no. Perhaps this is a bit subjective, but Catholic Church is crawling with details un-related to Christianity, much of their rules were made originally different from Byzantine doctrine just so Carlo The Great's faction would be different, or cause of the lack of education in Frank Priests, and they doing stuff on their own rather than asking the much more experienced Byzantines, was cause of the political situation at that point.

Christianity was mostly formed during the Byzantium Empire, and the heir of that religion is today's Orthodox Christianity. Better find sources there than somewhere else.

Like I said, I personally am an atheist, and I decided not to 'spit' on the religion cause I believe I need to research its base first to tell some fact-based things, why, cause Church made interpretation of texts on their own, and I think every priest in the world has his own interpretation of their religion (like, the so far only representative of the Christian beliefs here, Malaikat Maut, showed that he has his own interpretations of religion). Perhaps the religion itself wasn't meant to be a place of fanatics but simply a path that would encourage number of people to act "by the book", to take some moral values of the original creator of all that, we don't know yet, and there's no point discussing right and wrongs on a matter we don't know at all.
It is clear tho that the today's Church has no relevance to the core, and is a product of corruption and selfish-power-grab-acts.

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I make a clear distinction between Christianity and Church, one is a inner path one is a cruel scam.
The only thing i respect about the "church" regardless of its name, are the people, its not their fault fake answers were feeded on a plate for them just to keep them docile slaves. I know a lot more than you try to believe, but it might be in a tottaly different direction than you think.

Your ego kind of steps on my nerves, and your bad jokes, like the one in the sotis post are an insult. It was a time when i thought "atheist" are more open minded than "believers"..this forum here proved me quite wrong.

The worse things possible are those that get close to a truth but alter the final result in their favor...thats what church does, thats my problem with them. Honestly, i don't care of your opinion anymore. It requires a certain level of decency and respect to talk to some people (yeah me), not just initiative and brain (you don't lack those, but you lack the first badly).

I am not a modest man, but i consider myself fair so in case you want to know, i had no "blacklist" for the sotis recruitment, not _anyone_, so you kind of gave yourself a permanent bad vote from now on on such events.. don't participate anymore in them, post your jokes on separate threads.

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It's good that you do, I wasn't sure.
In difference to you, although I respect when a person follows tradition of its people/culture, I don't respect people of the Church (or any other religion, organization) that blindly follow what was told and do not question what was "lectured", do not question themselves, especially considering that Christian branches do not have clear definitions of their base - God, the doctrines those people preach today are very contradicting and illogical. There is a huge gap between the original idea and modern Church, and people refuse to evolve.

Hehe, the feeling is likewise, your ego often steps on my nerves too :D no hard feelings tho. Perhaps from your perception, I'm not showing respect to you, but I was honest and straightforward from day 1, if you can't respect that, then I don't know what do you respect or want from other people here.

that third thing, I didn't realize you actually ever cared about my opinion :P


if we forget that I am already a part of another land, I have no desire (nor I had it before) to join Soldiers of the Inner sun, the alliance is not interesting to me. Don't get me wrong, is it Kelletha alliance, is it SoTIS, that kind of alliances bring great amount of prestige with them, but neutrality creeps me out, or at least partial neutrality... It's not that I don't like being Neutral, I don't like that I ---have to--- be neutral, if you get what I want to say x) (maybe they ain't that neutral, but the alliances are more of an extension of one person's role, which I don't like to adapt to)
The reason why I replied in humorous way (it's not a bad joke, it's just the lack of humor in you people... it's pathetic how some people cannot laugh at all - and I'm not talking about you here, for the record) is cause what I WOULD say on the matter was already posted by several people, so I saw no point to post again just so someone could say that I'm copy/pasting.
wasn't sure is my goal to get the sign to "zero" (which I was feeling somehow the closest to, Rendril, along with some other people posted that image there)
or is my goal to make a counter where the result would be the same strength in opposite direction (another sign, where the result of those two "separate" symbols, would be the first symbol turned upways, if you use the symbols like vectors).
Certain people suffer from complexes, or have so depressing periods in their life that they have to spit on every thing they can and demonize something that was supposed to be fun (I'm talking about the neg points, it's not that they affect me, but they signify the profiles of people behind them. A normal person that doesn't like a joke, would simply ignore the post)



p.s.
I think Sephirah Caelum is supposed to be in that post too (nothing subjective, I just remember her posting a lot with links as well)

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[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1292056533' post='75126']
Malaikat Maut said how God DOES have feelings, but on much more complex level than us... And where did you got that, Malaikat?[/quote]

There are many many examples. The book of Jeremiah is perhaps my favorite. Throughout much of the book God speaks through the prophet with intense emotion, and compares Himself to Israel's husband.

Jeremiah 3:14 “Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion. 15 Then I will give you shepherds [b]after my own heart[/b], who will lead you with knowledge and understanding....19 “‘How gladly would I treat you like my children and give you a pleasant land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.’ I thought you would call me ‘Father’ and not turn away from following me. 20 But like a woman unfaithful to her husband, so you, Israel, have been unfaithful to me,” declares the LORD.

Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a [b]jealous God[/b].

John 11:33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, [b]he was deeply moved[/b] in spirit and troubled. 34 “Where have you laid him?” he asked. “Come and see, Lord,” they replied. 35 [b]Jesus wept[/b]. Edited by Malaikat Maut

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Jesus showing emotions is understandable, he has both humanly and divine nature, but you see, I didn't know about that part from the Exodus.


God shows clear emotions, he also makes 'mistakes', he lets people live, then he decides to cleanse them in few tidal waves, then he decides he won't do that ever again (second thoughts, change of course and such), the reason why I asked "where did you got that from" is that, I think, Church takes god as an almighty, allknowing figure... is that term mentioned in the bible or is it a product of the Church?
Cause if the both pictures are mentioned then it is a contradiction. Edited by Rhaegar Targaryen

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http://www.parentcompany.com/awareness_of_god/aog1.htm

Go through and read them.

Lesson 12 talks about God being Omniscient if you'd rather just skip through.

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I thought the following article was incredibly interesting. WARNING: A VERY LONG READ:)

Many many preachers will spend a lot of time talking about the meaning of the cross but rarely put the emphasis where emphasis is due. The church by and large is missing the point about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Theology is the study of God. But there is a huge difference between a theologian and a pop theologian. Pop stand for Popular. Pop music is music for the day. It is popular today but doesn’t last very long. Pop theologians haven’t done much study of the word of God but are more given to experiences, and teaching which usually deal more with anecdotes and stories and cute little sayings, than solid Scriptural teachings.

If someone tell you that the church, by and large, has missed the meaning of the cross, the first thing you need to ask them is this.. Why do you say that? The answer better be this.. Not only have I found these things in the Bible, but history backs me up.

When someone teaches or preaches about the meaning of the Cross what is it you usually hear? Physical suffering. They will go in to much detail about the terrible whipping and the crown of thorns, How the nails went through a certain part of the hand in order to support the body. How Jesus had to push himself up to get a lungful of air (Crucifixion caused you to die of suffocation). They talk about the Roman soldier thrusting the spear into Jesus’ side and the water and blood flowing out of His side. And then they will tell you “by this we are saved”.

Which should bring up the question of how it is possible that the physical suffering of Jesus, caused by men, somehow paid the penalty for our sins. It can not possibly work that way. How can our sins be paid for because the Romans and Jews rejected Jesus? Because they whipped and flogged Him?

God sent his son who lived a perfect life and then, according to the plan of God, they rejected Him, whipped Him etc and God looked at all Jesus’ suffering at the hands of men and considered that to be payment for all our sins against Him.

That is heresy. The deepest form of heresy. You can be wrong about a lot of things but if you are wrong about the cross you are in trouble.


So what happened on that cross to cause God to forgive us of our sins? The first question is why was it necessary that God in the flesh come to earth and die. Why cant God just forgive us?

Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to Jehovah.

Read that carefully .. He who justifies the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.

So much of what you hear today, so many of the songs sung today are about God justifying the wicked. God justified us while were still sinners, he declared us to be right before Him and we praise God for that.

God‘s word says that if anyone declares the sinner to be right when he is not right is an abomination before Him. So if God declared you to be right when you were not right, If God simply forgives the wicked, He would become an abomination, according to His own word. He would become wicked. Imagine a judge sitting up there in his place on the bench, forgiving a murderer and letting him go. He would no longer be a just judge.

God is a just judge and God justice demands he throw men in hell

Therefore if God is a just God He cannot forgive… He must punish the wicked, That is the point of the whole Bible. All through the Old Testament we see animals dying.. it is symbol and type of the final and ultimate sacrifice.

Perhaps it is becoming a little more clear as to why God had to die. If he justifies the wicked person and declares the sinner to be righteous He, according to His own word, becomes an abomination. God can not simply forgive.

The law… God law demands that the sinner has to die.

God simply cannot wink at it and say ‘okay we will let him slide this time’

If HE does that HE is will be wrong, He will be unjust and contrary to His own Word. Remember what happened to Satan when he rebelled against God. He was swiftly thrown out of Heaven.. So if God were to simply forgive men’s sins, Satan would probably lose no time reminding God of His unfairness… Perhaps a conversation like this would take place…

Remember when we sinned against you . You were just then weren’t you? Cast all of us out of Heaven. These men sin against you and You let them go. Guess you are more like me than you know.

See the problem?

Now the only way that God can forgive sinful men is if God who made the law and God who demands satisfaction .. comes down Himself and pays the penalty.

The ONLY way the law of God can be satisfied is BY God.

This is what makes the doctrine of the Jehovah’s witnesses so blasphemous. They say that when the world fell, God created an innocent being and took this innocent being and put him on a cross to die and fix the problem. But that is not what happened . Jesus was not a created being. He is God.

If Jesus is not God, then sit and weep because everyone is going to hell.. What was done on that cross.. two thousand years ago on a blood soaked hill called Calvary, was not enough.

God made the law, God has to satisfy the law. It has to be God. Only HE can pay the price. God, in order to forgive the wicked and still be just, has to DIE in the place of the wicked. This is the ONLY way He can forgive.

SO how does He die. What is it about the Son of God’s death that leads to our forgiveness? How does His death satisfy the law?

When some one says they have been saved, the question to be asked is saved from what? Many people will say from sin. This is simply not true! Sin was an act you did. Sin isn’t going to throw you in hell. You have sinned, but sin is not a living being that going to judge you then throw you into hell.

What you have been saved from is not a what, it is a who.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Romans 5:9. [Emphasis Added]

You have been saved from God. God is the judge of all the universe. YOU have sinned and made yourself an enemy of God. So when you stand before Him, He will judge you and throw you into hell.




InPlainSite.org Note: However Romans 5:9 (quoted above) has a curious anomaly. It states that since we have been justified by His blood (past tense), we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him (future tense). This is a common occurrence in the New Testament which too many Christians seem to gloss over .. to their peril. The New Testament sometimes says that salvation is an accomplished reality, and at other times says it is still in the future, a seeming contradiction that is not limited to salvation alone. So what is the answer? Can we be assured we have salvation now, or is it something we have to strive and hope for. Have we already been adopted as sons, or are we eagerly waiting for this adoption? Are we righteous now, or is it yet a distant hope? For those who are actually interested in what the Bible says on the subject… as opposed to what parents, pastors, friends, or denomination may have taught, the answer to all of the above questions is .. BOTH. Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary was but the first half of the process, with the second phase still in the future. Complete deliverance will not be realized until Christ puts away sin at the end of the ages, when He (Jesus) will appear “before the face of God for us”. [Hebrews 9: 26]. But to properly understand that concept requires a more complete understanding of the atonement, for which we have to turn to the Old Testament. See The Two Phase Atonement






A lot of people today, seem to believe that God will not throw anyone into hell. It is entirely possible that their theology comes from the back of a Christian T-shirt or bumper sticker, because it is not in the Bible.

Jesus said…

But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who after He kills, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! Luke 12:4-5. (Emphasis Added).

This God of ours is not politically correct.

Have you ever heard the term enemy of God?

Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Contemporary Christianity interprets it differently from historical Christianity. Preachers today will often tell us that when the Bible uses the expression ‘enemy of God’, it means when WE were in rebellion against God, WE were against God. What it doesn’t mean is that God was ever against us, that God was our enemy. We are holding a gun against God and He wants us to put it down so we can become friends.

This is simply not true. All throughout historical Christianity, when it says ‘Enemy of God’ it means.. Not only are you God’s enemy holding your gun on Him, God was your enemy holding His gun on you. You put your gun down.. all well and good, but He still has his sights trained on you. You are a criminal, you have broken the law and you deserve to die. You can surrender and put your gun down but you are still going to die. Not only are you still His enemy, He is your enemy.

And yes, it does say in the Bible that God loves us.. But We tend to assume at once that "love" means what it does to us in modern times -- in this case, a mushy sentimentality that never says a harsh word and never steps on the toes of others. but conceptually, it is certainly possible to love one's enemies, and yet also attack them; and the same for one's disciples or allies. Never forget that Jesus calls the Pharisees names, and Peter "Satan"? Paul wished emasculation on his Galatian opponents (Gal. 5) and shames the Galatians with his rhetoric? See What is "Agape" and How Did It Work?

God says things in the Bible like I will hate them, I will come against them, I will fight them. I will raise up a standard. This God of the 21st century is a lot different from the Bible alone and a lot different from the one that has been preached for the last 2000 years.

Consider these verses (among many others) from Nahum and Jeremiah and Micah and Paul..

Jehovah is a jealous God and avengeth; Jehovah avengeth and is full of wrath; Jehovah taketh vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. Nahum 1:2 .

And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation. [Jeremiah 21:]

And I will execute vengeance in anger and wrath upon the nations which hearkened not. [Micah 5:15]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; [Romans 1:18 ]

Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. [Zechariah 14:3 ]

Remember what Amos said

“… prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. [Amos 4:12]

The Book of Revelation tells us

and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand? [Revelation 6:16-17]

He is not coming back with an apologetic look saying “I wanted to save you but I am sorry but now you are just going to have to go to hell”. No.. He is coming back sword in hand, in fury, to fight someone.

See The Wrath of God

The problem you have to see is here is punishment. We have broken God’s law and deserve to be punished. But from where does that punishment come? We have grown up being told that if you sin and something happens to you, that is not God but natural consequences similar to the law of gravity. Jump off the roof and you are going to get hurt. You sin and you are going to get hurt. It’s not God doing it, it’s just the way thing are. This is not true. God talks all the time of coming in judgment against people’s sin. Constantly. Read the Bible.

And I will set my face against them; they shall go forth from the fire, but the fire shall devour them; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I set my face against them. [Ezekiel 15:7 ]

Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, even to cut off all Judah. [Jeremiah 44:11]

And the soul that turneth unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto the wizards, to play the harlot after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. [Leviticus 20:6]

So we realize we have to be saved from God and His punishment, but how is that punishment to be done away with? When Jesus was dying on the cross it was not the nails in His hand, or the crown of thorns or the Roman spears that save you. The suffering that men heaped upon Jesus is not that which pays for the crime. God did not look on that suffering and okay Good Enough!. What paid for your sin is written in Isaiah 53:10 and 12

Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand.

Usually when you hear a sermon or preaching on Isaiah 53, it usually centers around verses 3,4,5, and six, which talk about the suffering heaped on Jesus by men. Very rarely do you hear about Isaiah 53:10.

It pleased the Lord to crush Him.

Isaiah goes on to say

"...[He] was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:12)

How is it that that cross saves you? Because Jesus bore on the cross all the sin that God hates. The sin of all God’s people, from the first man ever saved on the face of the earth to the last man ever saved on the face of the earth was placed on His son.. the sins of all of God’s people. Everything that should be poured out on sinful creatures through out eternity, God throws down on His only begotten Son in a matter of moments. Crushes Him under the weight of His own justice.

Would you kill your son for someone? I am sorry .. I couldn’t. Yet God takes His perfectly innocent son and crushed Him under the weight of His own justice.

When Jesus said let this cup pass from me, people think it because He did not want to go to the cross. They usually imagine it was the physical agony that He did not want to go through. Consider this… There have been martyrs who have been burned at the stake and while they were burning they have lifted their hands and praised God. Does anyone imagine they are greater than our Lord Jesus? There have been Christians who have been crucified, burned, fed to the lions and many of those sang out with joy while the nails were being pounded in. Are any of them greater than Our Lord Jesus? Is it conceivable that Jesus would cower from a punishment that even some of His followers were able to endure with fortitude and praise. Is Jesus is weaker than them?

No, Jesus wasn’t thinking about nails in His hand, about spears and crowns of thorns or Roman soldiers. He was thinking about the fact that He had never been out of the Father’s bosom. That He had never been separated from His Father and now the Father was about to turn His face away from His Son. The Father did not turn His face away because He did not want to see His son suffering, He turned His face away Because His son had become detestable. Which is why Matthew 27:46 tells us..

"About the ninth hour [3:00 PM] Jesus cried out [quoting Psalm 22:1] with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani?' that is 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?'"

You and I deserved to be crushed with the hammer of justice, to be crushed under God’s wrath. But in order to save us He was crushed under His own wrath. That is what the Cross is. That is what it means. If you ever fully realize what happened that day, it will affect you for the rest of your life. You will never be able to get away from it.

And if the day comes that you stand before this Holy God who is about to pass judgment on you without having your sins paid for by His Son, then be afraid, be very afraid, as the wrath which made Jesus say ‘let this cup pass from me’ is about to descend on your shoulders.

Remember that when you hear about Jesus dying for you, you know now that it is more than just some whips. While one cannot possibly depreciate the physical suffering it was nothing compared to the Son of God being crushed by His own Father. Comparatively those whips were nothing. And when He cried out “It is Finished” that meant ‘Paid In Full’. If you are a Christian, God can never pour out His wrath on you. It is impossible because His son drank it. It does not exist anymore. There is no more punishment left for you.

Why did Jesus die on a Roman cross? He died for the sins of ungodly mankind, to save us from the wrath of God, and to make peace between us and God. "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ..." (Romans 5:1).

But yet you have the opportunity to flee from the wrath that is to come.

I would say that God does indeed have emotions:) Edited by Roland

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Perhaps we should carry this on in another thread?

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1292101268' post='75167']
I think, Church takes god as an almighty, allknowing figure... is that term mentioned in the bible or is it a product of the Church?

Cause if the both pictures are mentioned then it is a contradiction.
[/quote]
I thought you've read the Bible? :P

[u]Omnipotence (All powerful):[/u]

Revelation 19:6 (KJV) And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

I Chronicles 29:11 Yours, LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, LORD, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all. 12 Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all.

Job 11:7 “Can you fathom the mysteries of God? Can you probe the limits of the Almighty? 8 They are higher than the heavens above—what can you do? They are deeper than the depths below—what can you know?

Isaiah 44:24 “This is what the LORD says — your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself...

Isaiah 51:15 For I am the LORD your God, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar — the LORD Almighty is his name. 16 I...who set the heavens in place, who laid the foundations of the earth.

Mark 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”


[u]Perfection and Perfect Judgment:[/u]

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Job 8:10 “So listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do evil, from the Almighty to do wrong. 11 He repays everyone for what they have done; he brings on them what their conduct deserves. 11 He repays everyone for what they have done; he brings on them what their conduct deserves. 12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice. 13 Who appointed him over the earth? Who put him in charge of the whole world? 14 If it were his intention and he withdrew his spirit[a] and breath, 15 all humanity would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[u]Omniscience (All Seeing/All Knowing):[/u]

Psalm 147:4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. 5 Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.

Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says — Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. 7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people, and what is yet to come — yes, let them foretell what will come. 8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?

Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’

Acts 15:18
Known to God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

[u]Omnipresent and Infinite:[/u]

Psalm 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

Jeremiah 23:23 “Am I only a God nearby,” declares the LORD, “and not a God far away? 24 Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the LORD. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the LORD.

II Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow...as some understand slowness.

Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”


If you'd like to debate that any of these are contradictions, or stand in contradiction to any other, than create another thread on the topic and I'd be glad to discuss it with you.

Edited by Malaikat Maut

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