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... that I wasn't able to attend. 

 

I've read the logs, and dst's blog and I understand that she thinks I'm selfish for trying to become MP6 when the population is so low.

I would like to make a few things clear: 

  • I was aware that it would be hard for the population to support more than 2 MP6s at the same time. I am not an extremely competitive person and I do not wish anyone's harm. However, I believe this mindpower is open for everyone who wishes to aim for it, and regardless of age and experience, in the end we should have an equal shot. 
  • I did not went to  "steal" any current mp6's adepts. The "meaningless mp3s" dst mentioned are new people I tried to bring in the game using my referral link, who unfortunately didn't stay, except one. I tried getting adepts in a healthy way for the game itself, not by creating conflicts and chaos NOR by trying to ruin other people's MP6 status.
  • The exception from that may be the Marind Bell people who offered to support me ( I do not know who they adepted before, nor did I insist for them to adept me instead). 
  • I am aiming for MP6, but that doesn't mean I want to create chaos and make it happen overnight. I did not make public announcements begging to get adepts, I don't even have the necessary heat I need for it. I think it's a longer journey and I am willing to go slowly, learn things and gain experience myself. 
  • Achieving MP6, for me, would create some sort of "symbiosis" with what I'm planning for Witty's role, which involves a lot of selflessness and is focused on the community, especially helping out newbies. 

 

This is all I have to say for now, I am open to discuss things further.

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I doubt that Dst said not to do it.

But she has a point: there are not enough players.

 

On the other hand: MP6 is just one more quest. So, as long as you understand the consequences, why not.

And anyway ... good luck.

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I doubt that Dst said not to do it.

 

 

I didn't say she said that. 

 

 

On the other hand: MP6 is just one more quest. So, as long as you understand the consequences, why not.

And anyway ... good luck.

 

Thank you.

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Seriously, I thought most had learned to ignore dst's blog by now...

 

Do not let such things stop or discourage you, Witty. You know there will always be people around who will support you no matter what.

Edited by DARK DEMON

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Do not let such things stop or discourage you, Witty. You know there will always be people around who will support you no matter what.

 

I know, I will not.

Everyone has their right to an opinion (be it negative or positive). I just wanted to make some things clear. :D 

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First of all I expressed an opinion. Last time I checked I was not forbidden to do that.

Second, yes, I totally agree that anyone can try for more.

Third: I never said you "stole" the adepts (as for the "meaningless" they would have been meaningless no matter if they were yours or someone elses's - I pointed them out just as being null in the economy of the whole adept hood).

 

What I did say is that yes, I consider this a selfish move (or you being selfish - same ting) because in the process it robbed us of an MP6 (yes, I like to have options so sue me :D). I didn't know if you knew the consequences or not (now I know) and I believe you when you say you didn't want to create chaos. You didn't create chaos. Just a frustration feeling (at least for me, maybe for others and certainly for EE). I didn't want to create chaos either. I simply expressed an opinion (this is why I didn't even bother to post on the forum).

 

Personally I don't believe you'll be able to pull this through - hence my frustration - (not in the present conditions - I do hope things will change pretty soon since we already were given clues about that by Chew and Mur) but if you do then hats off.

 

And yes, if it were for me to choose, I think EE deserves it more cause he invested more time into this (I am defo not an EE fan, I still remember when he tried to cheat things in MD) and I simply dont find it fair that this might be reduced to a popularity contest ( EE is not the best RPer or social person but the mp6 and lho jobs that he does, he does it very well - someone recently told me that he's so positive that he's almost unreal - I totally agree so for that I think he deserves more).

 

LE: almost forgot:

 

 

Seriously, I thought most had learned to ignore dst's blog by now...

Says the guy who went berserker cause i posted the laby map on my blog :D :D.

Hypocrite and a minimalistic thinker.

Edited by dst

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What I did say is that yes, I consider this a selfish move (or you being selfish - same ting) because in the process it robbed us of an MP6

When Witty announced her intention, EE had already dropped (and he kept dropping through the last months). Well, he would have got back (and down again and then back again), but robbing is not the right word...if anything, it started a needed discussion.

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When Witty announced her intention, EE had already dropped (and he kept dropping through the last months). Well, he would have got back (and down again and then back again), but robbing is not the right word...if anything, it started a needed discussion.

Ok, robbed is a strong word (I am not good with words, sorry). How about deprived?

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First of all I expressed an opinion. Last time I checked I was not forbidden to do that.

Second, yes, I totally agree that anyone can try for more.

Third: I never said you "stole" the adepts (as for the "meaningless" they would have been meaningless no matter if they were yours or someone elses's - I pointed them out just as being null in the economy of the whole adept hood).

 

What I did say is that yes, I consider this a selfish move (or you being selfish - same ting) because in the process it robbed us of an MP6 (yes, I like to have options so sue me :D). I didn't know if you knew the consequences or not (now I know) and I believe you when you say you didn't want to create chaos. You didn't create chaos. Just a frustration feeling (at least for me, maybe for others and certainly for EE). I didn't want to create chaos either. I simply expressed an opinion (this is why I didn't even bother to post on the forum).

 

Personally I don't believe you'll be able to pull this through - hence my frustration - (not in the present conditions - I do hope things will change pretty soon since we already were given clues about that by Chew and Mur) but if you do then hats off.

 

And yes, if it were for me to choose, I think EE deserves it more cause he invested more time into this (I am defo not an EE fan, I still remember when he tried to cheat things in MD) and I simply dont find it fair that this might be reduced to a popularity contest ( EE is not the best RPer or social person but the mp6 and lho jobs that he does, he does it very well - someone recently told me that he's so positive that he's almost unreal - I totally agree so for that I think he deserves more).

 

LE: almost forgot:

 

 

Says the guy who went berserker cause i posted the laby map on my blog :D :D.

Hypocrite and a minimalistic thinker.

 

I get where you're coming from, and you're totally entitled to have an opinion, I really have no problem with that.

I agree that it's not fair that it's a popularity contest and well, the consequences aren't my fault per se (they were definitely not my intention - actually, I tried to talk about adepthood with people who were neither Syrian or EE adepts),  call me selfish but I want to aim for my purpose and well, this is the system for now, we should all deal with it the way it is.

 

If I make it or not, I guess there's only one way to find out.  Also, I agree EE is great and positive, and way more experienced than myself, but that shouldn't be a factor for me to suppress my ambition and/or for me to abstain myself from  pursuing what I wish to accomplish. Like No one said, it's a quest after all...

 

Just cause it's on the forum doesn't mean it has to be something chaotic, I decided to post because after all, I am interested in communicating with the community, I want to know both negative and positive opinions, so if anyone has any other views on this, I'd love to hear them. :) 

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When Witty announced her intention, EE had already dropped (and he kept dropping through the last months). Well, he would have got back (and down again and then back again), but robbing is not the right word...if anything, it started a needed discussion.


While this is true, She also went around telling people prior to her announcing it. So I think this point is moot.

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My point was more like EE dropping was becoming the norm (as his mood panel posts), which I found to be just sad (so, robbed, deprived etc are not right words, because you cannot steal something that does not exist). Regardless of Wittys motives, her intentions caused the right havoc, in my opinion. I say this after seeing what happened, obviously -  on our private forum I told her this is hard, if not impossible :)

 

I would not have liked the status quo of EE posting in mood panel every day. I think he deserves to be MP6 more than WItty...for now, at least, but not like this.

(even if he was dropping because of some less active or just lazy people)

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So I'm jumping into this kind of topic again.

 

TL;DR :

 

dst is saying that neither EE or Witty can POSSIBLY achieve MP6 currently. Witty is still a long way from reaching MP6, and EE still has people who sympathise him. If both are trying to draw adepts, neither will manage to pull enough and both will keep on struggling and Syri might also drop occasionally because of losing adepts going to either EE or Witty.

 

Don't dismiss what dst is saying solely because of the way she is saying it.

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So I'm jumping into this kind of topic again.
 
TL;DR :
 
dst is saying that neither EE or Witty can POSSIBLY achieve MP6 currently. Witty is still a long way from reaching MP6, and EE still has people who sympathise him. If both are trying to draw adepts, neither will manage to pull enough and both will keep on struggling and Syri might also drop occasionally because of losing adepts going to either EE or Witty.
 
Don't dismiss what dst is saying solely because of the way she is saying it.


Actually the current situation is neither of the three can achieve MP6 while the other two are going for it.

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Lol... The narrow mindedness is squeezing me into a pancake. Gawd. What dst says is absolutely true guys. Just because she has a really blunt way of expressing things doest owe her a "WOHOOO I TOLD YOU TO IGNORE DST AND HER BLOG" and etc. All those trying to 'reassure' witty are actual the ones pouring fuel into the fire. Good guys. Awesome job sorting out issues guys. *clap clap*

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Nah, I don't think Dark Demon and Fang suggested ignoring the blog because of the blunt way Dst expresses her thoughts (on her private blog anyway), I think it has something to do with them being used as an archetype of idiocy on 90% of the posts in the blog. I think it's stupid to use their two posts as a proof to announce that a flame war on Dst began.

The discussion itself was pretty decent all-around, and despite being insulted as selfish, Witty was very nice and gave her points.

 

Someone brought up the thought if somebody else posted the thoughts, it would be different. Yes, it would probably be worse, this way people know it's Dst, and know she usually has a more provoking way of manifesting her opinion. That freedom was the whole point of the blog I believe, good for the soul, counter-productive for the relations with other people :P

Even Dst (or at least I have that feeling) closed the matter, and had a mild reaction to the reaction on her thoughts.

 

Keep it to the usual reputation system war for the posts that are already there to let go of the last drops of frustration, and maybe we should consider closing the topic.

 

Nobody is entitled to adepts, "poor" EE as one of LR leaders and a respected veteran can actually speak for himself thank you very much, the system needs a fix for years now, everything has been said on the matter.

You want to help the situation? Become an adept of someone who wants to be mp6.

 

There's a lot of room to be cynical here and make the stuff bitter with some words and conclusions, but I believe Witty sees this as a misunderstanding of her intentions and wants to clear out her name. Please let's avoid the rudeness while we talk forum-face to forum-face.

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Nah, I don't think Dark Demon and Fang suggested ignoring the blog because of the blunt way Dst expresses her thoughts (on her private blog anyway), I think it has something to do with them being used as an archetype of idiocy on 90% of the posts in the blog. I think it's stupid to use their two posts as a proof to announce that a flame war on Dst began.

The discussion itself was pretty decent all-around, and despite being insulted as selfish, Witty was very nice and gave her points.

 

Someone brought up the thought if somebody else posted the thoughts, it would be different. Yes, it would probably be worse, this way people know it's Dst, and know she usually has a more provoking way of manifesting her opinion. That freedom was the whole point of the blog I believe, good for the soul, counter-productive for the relations with other people :P

Even Dst (or at least I have that feeling) closed the matter, and had a mild reaction to the reaction on her thoughts.

 

Keep it to the usual reputation system war for the posts that are already there to let go of the last drops of frustration, and maybe we should consider closing the topic.

 

Nobody is entitled to adepts, "poor" EE as one of LR leaders and a respected veteran can actually speak for himself thank you very much, the system needs a fix for years now, everything has been said on the matter.

You want to help the situation? Become an adept of someone who wants to be mp6.

 

There's a lot of room to be cynical here and make the stuff bitter with some words and conclusions, but I believe Witty sees this as a misunderstanding of her intentions and wants to clear out her name. Please let's avoid the rudeness while we talk forum-face to forum-face.

 

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better. 

 

Thing is, there was no flame war in the first place, Dst just said her opinion and like Jubba said, I tried to make a few things clear. I didn't get offended... and I think nobody should for something like this.

It's just a discussion, and I think we're all entitled to say what we think. I honestly dislike flame wars and "personal attacks", and I never intended to be part of one.

 

The reason I posted here wasn't to discuss what happened between me and Dst, 'cause, well, nothing actually happened :D. I was more interested to know other people's opinion about the current MP6 "issue" and how I relate to it, and, ofc, to say what I said in the first post. 

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I wasnt disagreeing with anyone because they might find me less than amussing, I stated a general point and if people want to assume it was about someone specifically, let them.

Ill personaly always be Syrians adept, regardless of what anyone else thinks if shes a choice, but I also fully support anyone else trying for MP6 (in spirit).

The only reason I plead permanent loyalty to Syrian, is because in her past she proved to me she was worth confiding in.

A Protector, at least to me, is a friend with knowledge above even that of your own. Sy and I might not always agree (we actually usually dont) but she has a way about her that makes me understand WHY we dont agree.

I abuse Syrian as my Personal Growth Tool second, and my Friend first, because she is invaluable to me as both, and thus, worthy of Permanent Loyalty.

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