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    Kamisha reacted to Muratus del Mur in sad conclusion   
    as i see nobody from necrovion, with or without a king, bothered to document the recent major events involving necrovion in necrovions historic documents section. If the fall of a land is not historic enough for you..no comment, as i thought.

    dont pretend later you still want to be nc citizens or that you are interested in what happens with it.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Pipstickz in Soothing Sands Stealing Spree on Christmas Eve   
    So im not sure is this case remidied or are we proceeding to an acutal lawsuit.
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    Kamisha reacted to Curiose in A Request for Shift of Power or Change   
    The only way that people seem to even listen on this game is by yelling at them. It just seems fitting to insult those back who have insulted me.

    But sure. I apologize.

    Not like it matters, eh?
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    Kamisha reacted to Curiose in A Request for Shift of Power or Change   
    You really think I am coming in vengence? BULL.

    Remove the retarded rose tinted glasses already. How dare you say I came in vengence.

    I could have ranted and raved and called that thing every insult in the book but did I? No. I REQUESTED A CHANGE. And just because you think he's treating you so hot and dandy does not mean that everyone else believes so. Have you even read those posts? Have you even once thought that, hey, maybe ths is wrong to actually insult people when they request something, or insult their quest, or generally, be a douchebag to everyone in MD.

    The TKs are a failure when under a Shoddy Leader.

    The only reason the guild was as they were before I left was because that is how Mur wanted it. We didn't have many responsibilities until AFTER I had left, so you can't say it was in shambles because you were never part of the group before.
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    Kamisha reacted to Fire Starter in Question Time Post   
    So this one is: What are the player names of all members of the Council? With all my respect.
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    Kamisha reacted to Chewett in Question Time Post   
    What is your favorite type of confectionery? (aka, sweets, chocolate, muffins...)
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    Kamisha reacted to Tipu in Question Time Post   
    When will Lord Tipu have his statute erected ???.
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    Kamisha reacted to Kyphis the Bard in Question Time Post   
    Do you all play MD, or do you/some of you provide an opinion based on not knowing socialy the parties involved in the cases you deal with?
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    Kamisha reacted to (Zl-eye-f)-nea in Question Time Post   
    How would you describe your overall change in perspective as a group regarding MD and it's community having gained this role?

    Z
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    Kamisha reacted to Shadowseeker in Question Time Post   
    What was the most interesting thing you did as the council so far?
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    Kamisha reacted to phantasm in Question Time Post   
    By what criteria were the council members chosen for their position?
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    Kamisha reacted to Passant the Weak in Question Time Post   
    What maximum delay are you commited to respect to give an answer to player's request/question?
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    Kamisha reacted to Chewett in Question Time Post   
    What is generally your job/function?
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    Kamisha reacted to Manda in Want to be Mp6   
    Hey all now I am requesting to the players that has at least 100 active days to be my adepts just for a day (or some hours)

    I need 25 adepts, so the first 25 that Pm me and be my adepts will recive a Silver Coin

    Untill i upgrade my creatures

    I will post in the mood panel when i finish to upgrade my creatures so u can return to your mentor

    Thanks those who help

    Ahem if u dont want SC u can ask for a pimped gassan but just 3 gassys at the moment!!!


    O YES IF I UP TO MP6 AND I DONT POST IN MOOD THAT I UPGRADE MY CREATS I WILL PAY 1 SC PER DAY AS I STAY AS MP6

    now need 20

    [b]A blood pact will be given to those who help, but just one, so it will be random must complete the upgrade of my creats before December 3 if no no Bp[/b]


    [b]Now Need 17 come on !!!!!!!!!![/b]

    [b]now need 15 Yay!!!!!!!!!![/b]
    [b]hahahah 14 [/b]
    [b]need 13 im so close help please!!![/b]
    [b]12 im close so closee thk to all :DDDDDDDD[/b]

    [b]OMG now just 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

    [b]WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Only 2 More !!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]
    [b]Yay 1 more [/b]

    [b]now just need some heat and + Vp [/b]
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Eon in Boss Heads Contest- Statless Edition   
    I would join but I have the unwanted burden of exams at that time. Good luck to whoever gets the SD. It will get allot harder to make friends. I really like this though. A actual back and white competition the HC may not be fair but I find it hard to find a major flaw in this logic..
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Hedge Munos in Boss Heads Contest- Statless Edition   
    I would join but I have the unwanted burden of exams at that time. Good luck to whoever gets the SD. It will get allot harder to make friends. I really like this though. A actual back and white competition the HC may not be fair but I find it hard to find a major flaw in this logic..
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    Kamisha reacted to Firsanthalas in The naked truth.   
    I decided I have enough and I am going to say exactly what I think.

    In some ways this should be private between Mur and myself. But in other ways, no it deserves to be public.
    Mur says he allows free speech and this is the view of ONE person in MD. Anyone is free to agree or disagree with me, so by making this public I am opening myself up to as much insult, injury or plain old abuse as Mur is getting from me because of what I have written (or not). I will apologise for hurt I may cause, but I will not apologise for my view on things.

    Over time I have brought things up I have been unhappy with. I have written lengthy threads/emails about things. Undoubtedly some of it has been seen as stupid, wrong, preaching, longwinded, call it what you will. I am sure that at times I have not been as right as I felt. But I have always said what I believed to be true.
    Your response to this has usually taken the form of a very personal attack. You have called me a coward, stupid, naïve, lazy among other things. And yes you have actually put it quite plainly as ‘you are a coward’ ‘you are incompetent’ etc etc. And I mean plainly to me, not even when you go off calling the kings in general inept or what have you.

    You say I whine. You seem to think that all I do is whine. Well, you should look in the mirror bud. On more than one occasion you have had a good old whine about how you are fed up dealing with ‘stuff’ (I want to use a different S word here, but I will refrain even though I believe it is appropriate) and that you setup the kings and the council etc to deal with it. That you shouldn’t have to respond to things.

    Newsflash! YOU set them up. You setup the council and you complain it isn’t working or doing its job. Well, YOU appointed the council. YOU also set the council up to make decisions, to be autonomous. Yet on at least one occasion YOU personally stepped in and over-ruled the council. So YOU undermined the council. If you feel that the council is not working then YOU can change the people on it, the format of it or YOU can remove it.
    (By the way, I could tell you why they don’t work, I have tried to point out an error with at least one, but you simply ignore it as whining. But suffice it to say that simply changing the people will not actually change much if anything at all)

    In one of my last outbursts to the council YOU responded personally. And yes, your answer was VERY personal. You even went to far as to point out that you were being gracious enough to not punish me for my use of bad language. For anyone that is interested, my language was most foul, it was intended to be to stress my annoyance. It seems that this is what saved me from punishment. Now, the thing is, this was a letter sent to the council, not broadcast on the forum. As such, I view this as private. So, YOU may feel it was improper or foul or anything you like. But quite frankly it was private, not public.
    On the other hand, YOU dragged this matter onto the forums. While not obvious to anyone not privy to the private matter, YOU did this nonetheless. And your reason for doing this was for YOUR satisfaction. To be fair, when I complained you did remove it. However, I am sure that was just another example of whiny Firs and you felt you better do it rather than listen to me whine about it some more (I am being sarcastic, I would like to believe that you removed it due to sincerity, but you never apologised, so I will never really know perhaps).
    When people use certain words on the forums they have been told to change them or had them changed and even warned and told off for their language or banned etc. And we are talking about words that do not begin with F here and words that many would view as no issue at all I might add. Yet YOU have used the F word on the forums and I have not seen or heard of anything being said to you. It seems that there is a rule for everyone else and a different rule for YOU.

    YOU want people like me to use the needles to see Eon bring a case for being bullied. YOU want other people to do this. Why should I or anyone else doing something that YOU are not willing to do?
    And WHY are we seemingly ignoring any issue with anyone else being bullied because YOU want people to gang up on Eon and have Eon bring a case first?
    YOU can call me stupid or lazy or a coward or anything YOU want. But, I WILL NOT do something that YOU will not do yourself.
    It starts from the top. YOU cannot expect people to do things you are unwilling to do YOURSELF.
    Either a rule about bad language on the forums applies to everyone or it does not apply at all. YOU are not and cannot be the exception to the rule. Owners/Moderators of a forum cannot police rules they themselves do not respect. It is hypocritical and makes the rules itself void.

    You talk about respect. Well, I may have said things you didn’t like. I may have said things that were wrong. BUT, I have never disrespected you by calling you names or attacking your character. You may feel that I have and you may feel that I am doing so now. But I have never treated you with contempt and I have never ridiculed you for my own amusement. I have also had the decency to apologise to you when I have gone too far or at least felt I had. NEVER, NOT ONCE HAVE YOU APOLOGISED TO ME.
    I don’t need an apology to feel better about myself by the way. I don’t need you to tell me I am not a coward or stupid or anything else. I know exactly what I am. I know my faults and failings and I know when someone is talking through their rear end in what they are calling me.

    And for the record. There is no brainwashing going on in Loreroot that I am aware of. There may have been in the past and I was one of the people that brought it to your attention. Yet it seems that whenever you get a bit annoyed with me you role that one out. If it ain’t you that does it, somebody else does and you are happy to let it out there.
    I have not asked anyone to leave MD or to hate you or anyone else. I have not tried to create some kind of mini group within MD with some strange and pointless aim of ruining MD. People in Loreroot do not have some kind of organised hate MUR, or dst or anyone else campaign going despite what some people like to think or even insinuate on the forums. I actually find the notion mildly amusing and completely at odds with the fact that you think I just do nothing but whine.

    You can content yourself that the only people that agree with me are the whiners in Loreroot. What saddens me is that you don’t take a step back and realise that like it or no, that is a percentage of the population in MD. That it is so easy to simply write all those people off as some kind of whiner fruitcakes. We are all from different countries, different religions, ethnic groups, coulours, capabilities, attitudes, experiences, age, sex, you name it. But it all boils down to Loreroot = whiners.
    That is not an indictment of the people in Loreroot, that is an indictment of YOU. You allow this mentality to foster and it seems that you share it yourself. In fact, I would argue that it is because YOU hold this view that others share it.
    Like it or not, MD is your creation and YOU have a public that YOU can preach YOUR ideas and opinions to. And many people hold YOU up to be some kind of deity, hero, oracle, font of knowledge, whatever you like. Ironically, like a god, you seem dismayed and bewildered and angry that you have given your children such wonderful gifts and we have chosen to not use them as you expected us to. It’s hard when mere mortals cannot grasp the magnitude of the divine vision and wisdom.

    I am not saying that you want that. In fact I believe that you are uncomfortable with it and I consider that to be a good thing. But I equally feel that you sometimes forget that. Me or anyone else not agreeing with you is no bad thing either. You need to be told when you are talking rubbish (or at least when someone feels you are). I am not so sure that you handle that so well at times though. You have to realise that when you decide to put the boot in to someone you can expect a tide of people supporting you. But you have to accept that you will get that support even when you are wrong. And yes, like me there are times when you are wrong. Why? Because you are human, you make mistakes, like the rest of us (except of course dst, who is never wrong (there is an element of sarcasm there) ).

    I am far from perfect. There is always more I could do, should do even. But don’t dare to tell me to stop whining, or man up, or what have you, unless you are willing to do the same yourself. Stop blaming others, lead by example.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Watcher in Shameful MD   
    Bizarrely I have to agree with mur on this topic. I actually dedicated three months of complete observation of the community. I am unsure of what happens past 9pm CST but allot of these problems do have ways to be addressed although I don't see many people muted people often take a side in minor fights and the bullying eventually stops.
    I also have to agree that muting people is muting freedom of speech so that's another fact of the matter.

    As for people who are using the rule:
    [Quote]
    Repeated harrassment without reason of other players will not be tolerated. If you have a reason for that, that reason should be discussed with a moderator and if that moderator is unable to solve the issue then put up for voting on the forum. By harrasment we understand constant verbal abuse and moking. Repeated attacks or other ways are not considered punishable harrasment but can be brought up for judging if you think they should.[/quote]
    as a shield. Its sort of interesting how this rule is structured. First of all you have to bring it to moderator which most people don't do. Until you do it is technically not harassment by its wording. If it isn't solve its left to a vote which is fair. Finally constant attacks as least in my opinion is not abuse. You do have sanctuary's you can go to if you want to be able to just talk and not worry about attacks. There are allot of protections in game you just have to look past what you usually do. Just repeating your self over and over again as simple logic should tell you. Doing the same thing again will usually result in the same outcome it did the first time. You just have to think of life as one huge equation if that makes things easier.

    However I do have to say bringing out of game things into game is a serious matter. Life in MD and out of MD should be separate.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Watcher in The naked truth.   
    Ok can we all just step back for a second.
    Sure I don't like all of murs decisions and I have made that very clear in allot of my posts that concern him. I also am a bit concerned with his thought that he is superhuman and in his own words a god of MD. Thats fair enough he created the world. However in most cases I have to say that he is fair. He rarely bans people who speak there mind i mean your still here Firsanthalas and in this last post you defiantly proved mur to be human because I think you got under his skin a bit. (Congratulation on mission accomplished by the way.)

    However before anybody thinks I am taking sides I don't totally support mur either. Especially in his current post:
    [quote name='Muratus del Mur' timestamp='1319999476' post='94939']
    If i say "you have issues" would that be opinion or offence? Cause thats how i think right now, and to be honest i don't give a FUCK that you don't agree to the way i talk. People play pretend and talk nice just when they have something to lose, but when they are at the edge of quitting they enjoy talking shit to me.. so you claim I can't afford talking honest in the only place I can't leave from? Same rule for all? That is funny comming from one that can alter his land rules as he thinks fit and that benefits of a certain level of immunity. Have you ever heard of diplomatic immunity? Consider me the president, judge me for my 'crimes' when i will be gone, till then if i feel some spices are needed to make my speech more hot , i will add them as I think fit.

    You basically make no point in all of the above, I find it hard not to make sarcastic comments or sounding offending, I still don't know what it is that bothers you. You make topics with titles like "shameful MD", when you, as a symbolic role, represent a big percentage of MD, and you expect me to talk nice?

    I get it. you have a very fragile ego, you have personal problems at home or work, _WHATEVER_ , we all do, you need to vent, fine..thats the only excuse i can find you, and i am doing an effort here.

    "i never appologized" ..maybe true..this is beacause appology is in my view a cowardly reaction aimed to save us from the effects of our mistakes. I do however admit when i am wrong and by not appologising I show i take full responsability for my own mistakes.


    So in the end, you have an issue with me? with md in general? with the fact you are not in the council? with what, put it in less words so my frustrated tired brain can comprehend it.
    [/quote]

    I don't know but this seems allot like a personal attack but I do have to say you did start it Firsanthalas and I have to say you have undermined your last topic called shameful MD. I find it increasingly amusing that you don't want to single anybody out and people believe it even though you seem quite OK with singling people out in other posts.

    Now to be fair my findings I likely ill placed I am only at 672 active days with 45% activity. Maybe I got unlucky and ended up on the wrong days to make a decision. Though that's what I find.

    Though we are not going to get anywhere with two people calling each other names. So can you both step off it and just calm the FUCK down.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Passant the Weak in The naked truth.   
    Ok can we all just step back for a second.
    Sure I don't like all of murs decisions and I have made that very clear in allot of my posts that concern him. I also am a bit concerned with his thought that he is superhuman and in his own words a god of MD. Thats fair enough he created the world. However in most cases I have to say that he is fair. He rarely bans people who speak there mind i mean your still here Firsanthalas and in this last post you defiantly proved mur to be human because I think you got under his skin a bit. (Congratulation on mission accomplished by the way.)

    However before anybody thinks I am taking sides I don't totally support mur either. Especially in his current post:
    [quote name='Muratus del Mur' timestamp='1319999476' post='94939']
    If i say "you have issues" would that be opinion or offence? Cause thats how i think right now, and to be honest i don't give a FUCK that you don't agree to the way i talk. People play pretend and talk nice just when they have something to lose, but when they are at the edge of quitting they enjoy talking shit to me.. so you claim I can't afford talking honest in the only place I can't leave from? Same rule for all? That is funny comming from one that can alter his land rules as he thinks fit and that benefits of a certain level of immunity. Have you ever heard of diplomatic immunity? Consider me the president, judge me for my 'crimes' when i will be gone, till then if i feel some spices are needed to make my speech more hot , i will add them as I think fit.

    You basically make no point in all of the above, I find it hard not to make sarcastic comments or sounding offending, I still don't know what it is that bothers you. You make topics with titles like "shameful MD", when you, as a symbolic role, represent a big percentage of MD, and you expect me to talk nice?

    I get it. you have a very fragile ego, you have personal problems at home or work, _WHATEVER_ , we all do, you need to vent, fine..thats the only excuse i can find you, and i am doing an effort here.

    "i never appologized" ..maybe true..this is beacause appology is in my view a cowardly reaction aimed to save us from the effects of our mistakes. I do however admit when i am wrong and by not appologising I show i take full responsability for my own mistakes.


    So in the end, you have an issue with me? with md in general? with the fact you are not in the council? with what, put it in less words so my frustrated tired brain can comprehend it.
    [/quote]

    I don't know but this seems allot like a personal attack but I do have to say you did start it Firsanthalas and I have to say you have undermined your last topic called shameful MD. I find it increasingly amusing that you don't want to single anybody out and people believe it even though you seem quite OK with singling people out in other posts.

    Now to be fair my findings I likely ill placed I am only at 672 active days with 45% activity. Maybe I got unlucky and ended up on the wrong days to make a decision. Though that's what I find.

    Though we are not going to get anywhere with two people calling each other names. So can you both step off it and just calm the FUCK down.
  21. Upvote
    Kamisha got a reaction from Muratus del Mur in Shameful MD   
    Bizarrely I have to agree with mur on this topic. I actually dedicated three months of complete observation of the community. I am unsure of what happens past 9pm CST but allot of these problems do have ways to be addressed although I don't see many people muted people often take a side in minor fights and the bullying eventually stops.
    I also have to agree that muting people is muting freedom of speech so that's another fact of the matter.

    As for people who are using the rule:
    [Quote]
    Repeated harrassment without reason of other players will not be tolerated. If you have a reason for that, that reason should be discussed with a moderator and if that moderator is unable to solve the issue then put up for voting on the forum. By harrasment we understand constant verbal abuse and moking. Repeated attacks or other ways are not considered punishable harrasment but can be brought up for judging if you think they should.[/quote]
    as a shield. Its sort of interesting how this rule is structured. First of all you have to bring it to moderator which most people don't do. Until you do it is technically not harassment by its wording. If it isn't solve its left to a vote which is fair. Finally constant attacks as least in my opinion is not abuse. You do have sanctuary's you can go to if you want to be able to just talk and not worry about attacks. There are allot of protections in game you just have to look past what you usually do. Just repeating your self over and over again as simple logic should tell you. Doing the same thing again will usually result in the same outcome it did the first time. You just have to think of life as one huge equation if that makes things easier.

    However I do have to say bringing out of game things into game is a serious matter. Life in MD and out of MD should be separate.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Kyphis the Bard in Shameful MD   
    Bizarrely I have to agree with mur on this topic. I actually dedicated three months of complete observation of the community. I am unsure of what happens past 9pm CST but allot of these problems do have ways to be addressed although I don't see many people muted people often take a side in minor fights and the bullying eventually stops.
    I also have to agree that muting people is muting freedom of speech so that's another fact of the matter.

    As for people who are using the rule:
    [Quote]
    Repeated harrassment without reason of other players will not be tolerated. If you have a reason for that, that reason should be discussed with a moderator and if that moderator is unable to solve the issue then put up for voting on the forum. By harrasment we understand constant verbal abuse and moking. Repeated attacks or other ways are not considered punishable harrasment but can be brought up for judging if you think they should.[/quote]
    as a shield. Its sort of interesting how this rule is structured. First of all you have to bring it to moderator which most people don't do. Until you do it is technically not harassment by its wording. If it isn't solve its left to a vote which is fair. Finally constant attacks as least in my opinion is not abuse. You do have sanctuary's you can go to if you want to be able to just talk and not worry about attacks. There are allot of protections in game you just have to look past what you usually do. Just repeating your self over and over again as simple logic should tell you. Doing the same thing again will usually result in the same outcome it did the first time. You just have to think of life as one huge equation if that makes things easier.

    However I do have to say bringing out of game things into game is a serious matter. Life in MD and out of MD should be separate.
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    Kamisha reacted to dst in Shameful MD   
    You all just made me have a good laugh. Thanks

    Apparently no matter what goes wrong in MD, I am to be blamed.Yes, I gave Eon the stats and I gave him the SD. I told him to hunt you all and decrease your stats.
    I am to be blamed for all the drama when lately I barely had the time to read the forum.
    And by whom? Hmm...let's see, maybe a list will help.
    -loreroot - yeah old story.I don't like 90% of them and they don't like me. Anything new?Umm...no.
    -fenrir -should I even bother explaining?
    -sasha lilias - nothing new here as well since I destroyed her ally 2 years ago (ok..not hers but she was leader) and denied her UG citizenship + other things
    -pipstickz -he's pipstickz and with that I said it all then flushed and go play outside
    -the new cybers that I caught and reported
    -innocence cause we had several arguments (btw innocence, I am still waiting for you to sue me)
    -redmyth and pothos and insert few noobs here that have been brain washed mostly by loreroot

    You talk about harassment? Pff...I barely move away from MDP. I haven't fought in more then 1 year. But yes, I do use words as weapons. And apparently you have no idea how to defend other then whine, rant, scream harassment and go to higher powers complaining that I "violated" you.

    Bully? Have you seen my stats? Does any of you remember when I attacked him/her last time?
    If you're referring to Eon, well he's your creation . We all are the creation of the others. I would not be so mean if it weren't for loreroot (thank you by the way ). Eon would not have attacked darigan if he wouldn't have started a topic on the forum about that subject. Should I continue with the examples? Hopefully you got the idea. After all, MD players are smarter then average and I still trust most of you when it comes to thinking

    I will not change the way I play, the way I say things, what I say or what I think about most of you just to please you.
    MD is still fun for me and I intend to stay. Even if just to piss all of you.

    I don't know if you noticed lately but I don't give a damn on your whines or rants or your topics about me. Wait. I do give a damn . They are fun. And this time I didn't even need to post in them to flame you. You did a great job on your own. Congratz! You've learned something from me . I am really proud of you.

    MD IS survival of the fittest, like it or not. That's what most games are all about (ok...not if you play bookworm...).
    MD IS a social game. Most of you seek for social approval. And for that you're willing to lie, cheat, be hypocrites. Well...you succeed. Again, congratz! And of course you do not like the price you need to pay so you start whining on ranting on the forum. And of course you seek someone to blame it on: me, Mur, Eon, lately Greedo. I wonder who'll be next

    So, to conclude cause I'm getting bored and I surely have something better to do then teach you stuff you already know but you don't want to admit you know: stop the ranting, stop the whine, stop the drama, stop the cybering (ugh...actually don't stop that I need to catch you first so I can report you and hopefully ban you for a while - I have a reputation to maintain). Go grow some crits. Or sac them if you fear Eon. Or go swear at Mur like smart Curiose did . Or Silverblades if you remember him. Or swear at me if you dare (and I mean in my face not behind my back cause then you'll just prove you're the cowards I always say you are). MD is a game not the Main Bureau of Frustrations Relief.You have other activities for that.

    Have fun!
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    Kamisha reacted to Darigan in accept or decline notice for teleport spells   
    I believe there should be a notice that pops up anytime someone uses a spell to teleport a specific person or people. Said person or people should get a box telling them they are about to be teleported and give them the option to accept the teleportation or decline it. If they decline it will cost them some ap or vit or something just to make it fair.
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    Kamisha got a reaction from Kyphis the Bard in "Be at this location, NOW" Attutide?   
    [quote name='samon' timestamp='1319121329' post='94362']
    I don't really like having to be online to know when and where you have to be online either. One thing that might at least help a bit is if there were one location for all the meetings that do not require a specific location. that way people will at least know where to go so they can at least idle there.
    [/quote]
    Mur wouldn't be so happy about that. One of murs passions at least from what he talks about and some of his actions is the idea of symbolism. I don't necessarily know what kind of symbol of justice he may be considering to use in this case if any.
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