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    John Constantine reacted to Muratus del Mur in mp6   
    Mp6 proves to be a stage that is far from being flooded with people and those that got to it look to me as very worthy of it. Do you think mp6 should get more powerful abilities? Or will this tempt people to do "anything" to reach it, forgetting about mp6 stage name (protector)

    if you think yes, say in one line what this stage should get more. If you think no, say in one line why not. Please pick only one of the things you have to say about this subject so i can read and evaluate all your answers. I will ignore elaborated answers.
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    John Constantine reacted to Ary Endleg in mp6   
    Yes, because mp6 powers are currently quite downgraded in first place. They are protectors yet I feel that they don't really have any real protect-power for game world we play in today.
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    John Constantine reacted to Eagle Eye in mp6   
    Yes, But not on powerful but helping newbies spell are good for mp6.
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    John Constantine reacted to Muratus del Mur in Adept system   
    hurts me to say..the adept system is so ancient i don't even remember how it works.
     
    It might have inconsistencies or flaws in it... i can't possibly know that unless i will revise the entire code and logic to see what it is doing and how.....but i won't be doing that anytime soon, not before A25 change (that might affect adept thing severely due to factions and other wild stuff)
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    John Constantine reacted to Chewett in Adept system   
    The adept system is based upon the original referral system. And by "based on" I mean built directly on top of.

    When it was added into the game, allowing you to change your adept, it probably wasnt considered that you might want to set your adept to none. Its quite feasible I will add this in. I dont see any real reasons not to.
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    John Constantine reacted to Ary Endleg in Why deplete?   
    I disagree with first post (well there could be some truth on greed part), I also disagree on how the whole resource system works and I agree with Mur's philosophy that depletion should be possible, but the way it's all implemented just makes me cry.
     
    I'm unsure why exactly there's a problem with inefficient resource gathering? Sure there would be more resources harvested if there wasn't depletion. Thing that I see is that then people would still find a new reason to complain because even then they failed to gather resources even thought they are available. Next complaint would be problem with tool availability, resource pools being too small for community once community reaches X number of harvesting efficiency (quality of tools * available time to invest in harvesting * harvesting stat * active harvesting players). Buyers and sellers complain all the time about resource bundles being unsplittable because it makes extremely difficult to create market for such things according to how things are now.
     
    In my mind, resources have... no real use, that's the first problem one should be looking at. Just by making more and more stuff craftable out of those resources and actually usable will close the circle and solve all of your problems. Because it would make big harvesting sharks not needing to split their bundles, they would sell big bundles to crafters, crafters would craft end-user goods which, you guess it, don't stack in bundles. Such industry would become so big that for mere silver you would be able to get nice chunk of goods. Hence no need for getting into harvesting and crafting business yourself if you need few of X for personal use. Only if you want to be producer in market you would join in the fuss, and then you would actually be specializing.
     
    So, depletion is not a problem in my mind, problem is the largely unfinished (as is everything else) resource system.
     
    And no sasha, you couldn't forever throw toadspeak because that's considered as LHO spell, burning it out on someone because of your frustration for example without good reason is bad thing, as LHO you should know that. (however throwing it here and there for giggles and not to "harm" anyone on purpose is okay I guess)
     
    Also, please don't bring religion into this, thankies.
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Ary Endleg in Adept system   
    So it looks like this the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. 
    The point is that if you want to learn something you need a teacher who know how to teach you, have a knowledge and you want this person as your mentor. But if there is no such teacher choosing first one from the list is pointless and I would even say - stupid. This quated argument is very poor argument. As Harry wisely noticed this is probably one of this features which were created and left behind.  
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    John Constantine got a reaction from DARK DEMON in Adept system   
    So it looks like this the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. 
    The point is that if you want to learn something you need a teacher who know how to teach you, have a knowledge and you want this person as your mentor. But if there is no such teacher choosing first one from the list is pointless and I would even say - stupid. This quated argument is very poor argument. As Harry wisely noticed this is probably one of this features which were created and left behind.  
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    John Constantine reacted to Sasha Lilias in Why deplete?   
    I wander around daily, silently watching resources and those gathering them. On each of these days I see a "usual culprit" depleting resources. This baffles me as I think to myself "Why do it?"
     
    Firstly let's look at a few announcements: 
     
    [spoiler]Ann. 1923 - [2011-07-12 23:29:56 - Stage 10] - Permalink - 
    Resource regeneration delay when depleted
    Resources will have a regeneration period if they drop to zero. During this period they will grow by fractions and you won't be able to gather them till they reach at least one full resource point. This means that whenever a location gets completely deplete of a resource, it will take about 3 days for that resource to start increasing again. Remember, the bigger the source is the faster it will grow. why? "greed control, sabotaje opportunities, efficiency planning".[/spoiler]
    [spoiler]Ann. 1585 - [2010-08-10 05:32:37 - Stage 10] - Permalink - 
    Resource items don't transfer like normal items. You can give them to others, even take them by ITC codes, but they will group together. For example if player A has 15 wood and player B has 30 wood, player A can only send his entire amount of wood , not fractions, to player B. After the transfer, player B will have 45 wood, undividable! The amount of resources of one type comes written in front of the resource name.[/spoiler]
     
    So, firstly, as we can see above, depleting resources actually prevents effective gathering. So you're hindering, not helping, yourself. You'll actually be able to collect more if you allow the area time to regenerate it's "stock". But...
     
    Why don't we allow this?
     
    It's simple. Greed.
     
    Certain players feel the need to harvest all resources for themselves and hoard them.It's almost becoming a competition of stealing the last resource for yourself. In fact, today, this was said to me and it honestly made me shake my head: "and how do you think that I gathered my 20k+ herbs ? by letting other get them ? if I stop getting herbs ... someone else will"
     
    Is this what it's come down to? A competition? "Grab it before someone else does"? 
     
    This brings me to my second point:
     
    What's wrong with giving others a fair chance?
     
    Is it that hard to push aside greed for a second and think "Ok. So I have (for example) 20k herbs. Perhaps I can sit back a bit and let others collect."? Would it be so wrong to allow someone to spend some of their time collecting those resources, gaining some extra stats, rather than spending their silver on it? 
    I once had someone say to me "I am not a hoarder"...they said holding over 1k of memory stones. Now, as we all can read, resources can't be split down into bundles and I can't imagine many people buying 1k of memory stones...can you?
     
    If we stood back for a second and realised that greed doesn't have to rule us, that we are a community and can quite easily act as one, then people could be a bit happier. (I mean this in a general aspect of greed, not just resource hoarding.)
     
    Depleting resources lowers the regeneration time by 3 days, whereas I'm sure if you wait one extra day there will be 2/2 resources again? Yes, so someone else may take that one, but you're more likely to get on one of the ones that regenerates daily rather than the meagre one that regenerates every 3 days? Depleting a resource lowers the chances for anyone to grab it's type. 
     
    Basically...
     
    It infuriates me, watching people deplete a resource and then to have the audacity to hoard it for themselves!
    I would understand it far more if they actually sold or even gave their resources away (yes I know, "Give it away?!", how dare I suggest such a thing?) But they don't. They rack up hundreds and thousands of a particular resource for what reason? Currently the only item that needs s huge amount of resources to create it is the sandcastle. Even then sand is a byproduct, not a major resource.
     
    Conclusion
     
    Hate me for this if you wish; call me ignorant, deluded, foolish, negative rep me, kill me, teleport me somewhere...blah blah. 
     
    Do as you please.
     
    As from now on, however, I will be placing my own "punishment" on those that I find depleting. And, yes, you may say "What's she gonna do? HAHAH!", but the fact is:
     
    It's more than what the rest of you are doing.
     
    A revolution starts with one.
     
    Let's see what your fortune grants you.
     
    Fin.
    (End rant)
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    John Constantine reacted to Ary Endleg in Adept system   
    Answer is most likely that such things weren't considered while designing adept system. I'll speculate and say that when adept system was being made there were a lot of ideas and features for it as the page says (to quote "more adept features soon"), but all we have is that they sustain mp6 and make you heal your creats "faster" (which is extremely outdated benefit considering the big ve pools people have today, 1 click and creature is fully healed or even better, due to huge regen it heals by itself. But really you actually shouldn't even care if creature is fully healed or not except for some specific fights with target dying).
     
    That's why it wasn't implemented, just like (as far as I'm informed) the button "abandon protector" wasn't there initially. I think that this needs to be added. It's common issue that people don't want to be adept of somebody or they have alt "issues" hence they would adept catchy "randomly" named accounts who actually never played, NPCs, Mur or maybe even Chew. That's their way of being the "rebel" in adept system.
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Ary Endleg in Adept system   
    I have encounter a problem. 
     
    It is impossible to change who you are the adept of if you would like to choose no one*. In that case you get reply information:
     
    Unable to find this playername.
     
    Which leads to the point that you have to be an adept (if you have ever been even once an adept) of someone. 
     
    The question is: what is the justification of this rule?
    In my point of view this obligation is completely pointless, because it forces you to become an adept  even if you don't want to do that (now or in time, no matter). 
     
    Conclusion:
    If there is an argumentation, please write it here (and after that  it would be nice to transfer this thread to Q&A part of Forum or delete it if it won't be valuable).
    If there is none, I would like to change this option to not obligatory decision.
     
    *it's not about you No One ofc
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    John Constantine got a reaction from DARK DEMON in Adept system   
    I have encounter a problem. 
     
    It is impossible to change who you are the adept of if you would like to choose no one*. In that case you get reply information:
     
    Unable to find this playername.
     
    Which leads to the point that you have to be an adept (if you have ever been even once an adept) of someone. 
     
    The question is: what is the justification of this rule?
    In my point of view this obligation is completely pointless, because it forces you to become an adept  even if you don't want to do that (now or in time, no matter). 
     
    Conclusion:
    If there is an argumentation, please write it here (and after that  it would be nice to transfer this thread to Q&A part of Forum or delete it if it won't be valuable).
    If there is none, I would like to change this option to not obligatory decision.
     
    *it's not about you No One ofc
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Myth in Adept system   
    I have encounter a problem. 
     
    It is impossible to change who you are the adept of if you would like to choose no one*. In that case you get reply information:
     
    Unable to find this playername.
     
    Which leads to the point that you have to be an adept (if you have ever been even once an adept) of someone. 
     
    The question is: what is the justification of this rule?
    In my point of view this obligation is completely pointless, because it forces you to become an adept  even if you don't want to do that (now or in time, no matter). 
     
    Conclusion:
    If there is an argumentation, please write it here (and after that  it would be nice to transfer this thread to Q&A part of Forum or delete it if it won't be valuable).
    If there is none, I would like to change this option to not obligatory decision.
     
    *it's not about you No One ofc
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Aeoshattr in Adept system   
    I have encounter a problem. 
     
    It is impossible to change who you are the adept of if you would like to choose no one*. In that case you get reply information:
     
    Unable to find this playername.
     
    Which leads to the point that you have to be an adept (if you have ever been even once an adept) of someone. 
     
    The question is: what is the justification of this rule?
    In my point of view this obligation is completely pointless, because it forces you to become an adept  even if you don't want to do that (now or in time, no matter). 
     
    Conclusion:
    If there is an argumentation, please write it here (and after that  it would be nice to transfer this thread to Q&A part of Forum or delete it if it won't be valuable).
    If there is none, I would like to change this option to not obligatory decision.
     
    *it's not about you No One ofc
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    John Constantine reacted to Change in Some of Change's Childhood Philosophy   
    Here are a few rules that I've followed in regards to Change and myself. (Both of us are quite similar if you haven't guessed). Yes, this is written with a certain exaggerated persona on (that is, a personality that isn't mine, or Change's). Think Effie Trinket, or some other Victorian.

    1. Always lie without lying.

    Why reveal the 'darker'/deeper side of yourself when no one cares? Sure, you've figured lots of it out, but no one has to know that. You've shown parts of that part in the past before, haven't you? Guess what? No one cared! They got incredibly confused and had no idea what you were saying. Better to give them the part that they can understand. Let them think that's all you are. It doesn't matter.

    2. Do what people want if it makes no difference to you.

    This one seems kind of obvious. If you don't care whether or not you choose A or B, why not go with the majority? Having people like you is beneficial to yourself. If you want to choose A just to be contrary, or if you want to choose based on a coin-flip, guess what? That's you caring. But if you actually don't care, just go with everyone else.

    3. Talking makes people think they know you.

    Now, you're allowed to talk about your 'issues' but don't actually discuss your real issues. Don't bother showing that you've actually really thought deeply about stuff--people will just get confused. Rather, enter the state of mind that you're in when you're being silly, worrying over little things. That's what everyone else does, isn't it? So talk and talk some more and if people respond positively, keep going! Now, as it turns out, people may just be responding positively publicly and they might really hate your face. You yourself would get annoyed about someone blabbing on and on without even taking the time to stop and think. But that's okay, people who actually think aren't often the ones in power. If people think they know you, they don't see a threat and you can do whatever you want. The only potential problem to this plan is if there's someone in power who does think. But those people don't exist, right? (Note: Well, perhaps they do...)

    4. Be yourself, but only the 'nice' parts.

    Did you notice? Well, did you? That's right, when you're non-controversial people like you. Well, they don't actually like 'you' but you've spent decades trying to figure out yourself. You've made lots of progress (no one needs to know that) and it'd take foreeeeeever for you to explain that progress to others. So why bother trying? If you do, they'll likely misunderstand you, and that can go one of two ways. Either they like what they think is your true self lots, or they hate it--both due to a lack of context. Why court chance when you don't have to? (Note: 'Nice' varies from person to person, which makes things especially confusing at times...)
     
    5. Have fun!
     
    Letting people think that you're a confused idiot is fun and beneficial...right?...right?
     
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    John Constantine reacted to Chewett in WTB Quantities of Branches with a sum of 130   
    You wont get the achievement for this.
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    John Constantine reacted to Curiose in forgotten legends   
    Granos did do something!
    He gave me my first Angien. <3
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Sir Blut in Happy Birthday Sir Blut   
    Happy birthday (Husaria do boooju! :))
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    John Constantine reacted to Chewett in Current State of Translations   
    A number of problems such as:
    * Large parts of the game currently are not stored in the translation interface.
    * Most translations do not have a decent translation.
    * Most translations are not complete
    * Translations are not really used by anyone
    * We dont have time to add all the items to the translation interface atm because they are not used
    * We dont have translators for the languages
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    John Constantine reacted to Rophs in Fixing the Ivory Lighthouse   
    I have a 20Kg bag of cement and some green glass powder for fixing the lighthouse.
     
    My general idea is to fill the cracks with cement and then replace the windows with newly forged panes of green glass. There will by many resources needed to make this.
    Sand for the glass and some to be mixed with the cement as an aggregate Lots of sticks and lumber to build a scaffolding allowing workers to safely reach the higher up cracks Water to activate the cement Some kind of permanent heat source, probably involving some kind of large "heat torch"
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Eagle Eye in Happy Birthday Sir Blut   
    Happy birthday (Husaria do boooju! :))
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    John Constantine reacted to DARK DEMON in Low Quality Avatars   
    I'm a newbie. I go around watching people's wonderful avy's, all not only accurately representing the characters but also being wonderful pieces of work. I look at (for example):
     
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=f9102cd097fc58e471d416cd1ffc4292
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=d097103a7b4fae61fdd033ba6163f2b4
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=2ceb254788d702c6eb8423d8d53560b2
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=c1f44b52da9d2cdd42c871e7c4f6fbc3
     
    So I decide to get myself one too! I buy some credits, unlock the avy shop and then take a look. I see.... huh, what?
     
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=e1e766746a7b8bcc51a4d09bb5ebec26
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=88c58d457d5087452351011611b70a80
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=dd76479e27538a2ce3c159a5e0fffeb0
     
    Now what would my reaction be?
    ____________________________________________________________
     
    The point of this is to show that there are a LOT more than 70 low quality avatars. IMO that isn't a bad thing: it shows that our artists are doing a really good job and the quality-level has increased greatly. I think almost all 2-D avatars at least should be removed. There are hundreds of these kinds, probably.
     
    Almost every "good" avy you see nowadays is usually custom-made for the player by an artist, or put up for direct sale rather than sold to the shop. It's been happening for years. Even though it says here that this is not allowed... ---> http://storenow.net/my/?f=7f3e6299ee7c80f0b7ec2bb1cb52a8aa
     
    Who here would actually spend credits on at least 70% of the shop avy's currently, when you know that there's a much better option to get it custom-made from an artist?
     
    IMO this has made the avy shop totally redundant. I've seen from others' reaction too that its better off that most of the "junk" there gets removed
     
    Edit: clarified something
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    John Constantine got a reaction from DARK DEMON in Hell Hounds.   
    Hellhound[hr]
      A story of (not so ordinary) salvation
     
    in three Acts
     
    ****
    Prologue
     
    Act I: The Awakening
     
    Act II: Meeting at the Graveyard
     
    Act III: Crucial Duel
     
    Epilogue
     
    ****
     
    Story & Graphics by J.C.
     
    [hr]
     
    Prologue
     
    Excerpt from Mr. J. Diary.
     
    12th of March
     
    I woke up early in that morning. I opened my eyes, but grim marble light from the swinging light bulb on the cellar blinded me and I had to closed them again. When glowing points disapeard I gave them a second chance. This time I made it. Tiny thought crossed through my brain – a good start. But thenI rised my head and I saw the view beneath the window’s glass.
     
    My garden. Once flourished and beatiful, a truly proud of my modest life. An old pine in the right corner of the square which always gave me a shadow in hot, sunny days. Than in row,a perfectly straight white roses bushes– like white pawns on the chess board. The center was the supremacy of all kinds of flowers: betony, nasturtium, asters and chicory. Small paths next to each raw of flowers. But now ...
     
     eveything’s changed.
     
    Paths gets angry and with mocking anger flowed over their ways. Roses lost their tempers and trying to bite neighbours necks, plaited each other and falled over the hedge. All other  surrendered to wind and rain.
     
    That was the effect of yesterday’s storm which came late in the evening (which honestly doesn’t happen so often). I knew the explanation, but I should take it as a warning – an omen or invisible menace. But you have to forgive me – I never believed in old wives tales. It dulled my watchfulness.
     
    With feeling of grief in my heart I got dressed in my old and well-worn coat. Door scrunched when I pressed on them and at last I lead my steps toward the garden. Death is around me – I thought. It looks like some devil came to the garden to feast on my happiness and left only desolation behind. 
     
    I crossed the path next to the roses and stood in front of pine. When I was walking to it I had a bad feeling – I supposed that it will be broken by wind and lightning. But the tree was standing tall as it was made from steel, a steadfastly figure in the devasted land.
     
    I steped forward and then – like a lightning bolt which strikes without a warning – I saw it.
     
    No, no it. I saw him.
     
    My dog. My dearest friend from the very begining after I moved home. The only one companion whom I have when I settled down in the small vilage in northern Scotland. For the few months after I came here I met no one whom I would call a friend. People in this parts are not direct and open – only the prejudiced and unfavourable stares. He was the only one to whom I could confide my sorrows and cares. Sometimes I fault him for being stolid but he always stand next to me no matter of my mood or daytime.
     
    And now he was dead. This word rang in my brain. For a few seconds I couldn’t focus my mind. I kneeled next to him and when I was trying to uplift the corpse I felt that something wet bowel of my hand. I excluded the possibility of knocking the dog down (my garden was far away from the nearest roadway and I didn’t think that anyone would like to take a trip in that weather). The most logical explenation was that he lost in the storm and died accordingly to exposure. I turned dogs head and I saw that my hand is wet from the blood. Deep, jagged wound crossed his neck. It looks like someone, or something, teared his throat apart. The muzzle was not gone for the burton.
     
    I took him in my hands and walked slowly to to the shed which was near the northern part of my garden. I kept there all the tools which I use for work in my garden. I took the rusty shovel and
    came out.
     
    ***
     
    The evening were inevitably coming. I saw the fog crawling at my doorstep. I sat on my battered armchair and looked through the window but the only thing wich I saw was darkness. Tired of bruising thoughts I started swinging on the chair.
     
    ***
     
    I do not remember when my eyes closed. And than ... he came to me.
     
      To be continued
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    John Constantine got a reaction from Assira the Black in Hell Hounds.   
    Hellhound[hr]
      A story of (not so ordinary) salvation
     
    in three Acts
     
    ****
    Prologue
     
    Act I: The Awakening
     
    Act II: Meeting at the Graveyard
     
    Act III: Crucial Duel
     
    Epilogue
     
    ****
     
    Story & Graphics by J.C.
     
    [hr]
     
    Prologue
     
    Excerpt from Mr. J. Diary.
     
    12th of March
     
    I woke up early in that morning. I opened my eyes, but grim marble light from the swinging light bulb on the cellar blinded me and I had to closed them again. When glowing points disapeard I gave them a second chance. This time I made it. Tiny thought crossed through my brain – a good start. But thenI rised my head and I saw the view beneath the window’s glass.
     
    My garden. Once flourished and beatiful, a truly proud of my modest life. An old pine in the right corner of the square which always gave me a shadow in hot, sunny days. Than in row,a perfectly straight white roses bushes– like white pawns on the chess board. The center was the supremacy of all kinds of flowers: betony, nasturtium, asters and chicory. Small paths next to each raw of flowers. But now ...
     
     eveything’s changed.
     
    Paths gets angry and with mocking anger flowed over their ways. Roses lost their tempers and trying to bite neighbours necks, plaited each other and falled over the hedge. All other  surrendered to wind and rain.
     
    That was the effect of yesterday’s storm which came late in the evening (which honestly doesn’t happen so often). I knew the explanation, but I should take it as a warning – an omen or invisible menace. But you have to forgive me – I never believed in old wives tales. It dulled my watchfulness.
     
    With feeling of grief in my heart I got dressed in my old and well-worn coat. Door scrunched when I pressed on them and at last I lead my steps toward the garden. Death is around me – I thought. It looks like some devil came to the garden to feast on my happiness and left only desolation behind. 
     
    I crossed the path next to the roses and stood in front of pine. When I was walking to it I had a bad feeling – I supposed that it will be broken by wind and lightning. But the tree was standing tall as it was made from steel, a steadfastly figure in the devasted land.
     
    I steped forward and then – like a lightning bolt which strikes without a warning – I saw it.
     
    No, no it. I saw him.
     
    My dog. My dearest friend from the very begining after I moved home. The only one companion whom I have when I settled down in the small vilage in northern Scotland. For the few months after I came here I met no one whom I would call a friend. People in this parts are not direct and open – only the prejudiced and unfavourable stares. He was the only one to whom I could confide my sorrows and cares. Sometimes I fault him for being stolid but he always stand next to me no matter of my mood or daytime.
     
    And now he was dead. This word rang in my brain. For a few seconds I couldn’t focus my mind. I kneeled next to him and when I was trying to uplift the corpse I felt that something wet bowel of my hand. I excluded the possibility of knocking the dog down (my garden was far away from the nearest roadway and I didn’t think that anyone would like to take a trip in that weather). The most logical explenation was that he lost in the storm and died accordingly to exposure. I turned dogs head and I saw that my hand is wet from the blood. Deep, jagged wound crossed his neck. It looks like someone, or something, teared his throat apart. The muzzle was not gone for the burton.
     
    I took him in my hands and walked slowly to to the shed which was near the northern part of my garden. I kept there all the tools which I use for work in my garden. I took the rusty shovel and
    came out.
     
    ***
     
    The evening were inevitably coming. I saw the fog crawling at my doorstep. I sat on my battered armchair and looked through the window but the only thing wich I saw was darkness. Tired of bruising thoughts I started swinging on the chair.
     
    ***
     
    I do not remember when my eyes closed. And than ... he came to me.
     
      To be continued
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    John Constantine reacted to DARK DEMON in New Years Thread!   
    These explain everything:
    [spoiler]
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=03fd2fd9d7d62253db10cd80f2ddbb59
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=9b393de1ec5eceb224e3dd73740d7659
    http://storenow.net/my/?f=b5b374dba23d11d83c9e2d60b5599fca
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